Johnny's Legion Terrain: More Imperial Terrain

By JohnnyTrash, in Star Wars: Legion

Thanks a lot for your positive feedback!

1 hour ago, Force Majeure said:

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- the Star Wars style door (is that modeled off of something or your own take?)

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Now I want to see you tackle an antenna array, radar dish or relay station. ...if you want to :D

The door is cut from cardboard... Ideally you would want plasticcard but I didn't have any in the correct strength. It's okay for the Outer Rim but if I was to build terrain for a clean and shiny coreworld, I would go for plasticcard.

I'm relatively new to SciFi terrain and have near to none experience with scratchbuilding models of technical equipment but who knows... Nevertheless I'm looking forward to the 3d-printer guys to provide us with vaporators, doors, boxes and all those useful bits and pieces that are just tedious to build on your own...

1 hour ago, gaerithe said:

Where did you get the little pit droid?

It's part of a bunch of broken and incomplete toys I bought off ebay for salvaging. It originally belonged to the Episode 1 Podracer Hangar Bay playset by Action Fleet.

Question coming from someone that has never modeled or built anything but trying to teach myself. Meanwhile, you have done this at least one time ... really good stuff ...

It appears the scale is 34-35 mm. Still, under discussion, yet, confirmed in the demo video(s) and Sorasto's Luke tutorial. Mass confusion for someone, like me, who has never done this.

  • So, for terrain, do you use 1:52, as scale? This safe?
  • Or do you use 1:61 ' ish?
  • On the miniatures themselves is the starting measuring point head to foot; head to top of base or head to bottom of base?

Any help appreciated

1 minute ago, Dash Two said:

Question coming from someone that has never modeled or built anything but trying to teach myself. Meanwhile, you have done this at least one time ... really good stuff ...

It appears the scale is 34-35 mm. Still, under discussion, yet, confirmed in the demo video(s) and Sorasto's Luke tutorial. Mass confusion for someone, like me, who has never done this.

  • So, for terrain, do you use 1:52, as scale? This safe?
  • Or do you use 1:61 ' ish?
  • On the miniatures themselves is the starting measuring point head to foot; head to top of base or head to bottom of base?

Any help appreciated

Don't concern yourself with exact measurements too much if you don't want to achieve a certain height for rules purpose. Make doors large enough so they look right next to the mimiatures, meaning 38-ish mm height, and scale the rest of the building accordingly.

3 minutes ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

Don't concern yourself with exact measurements too much if you don't want to achieve a certain height for rules purpose. Make doors large enough so they look right next to the mimiatures, meaning 38-ish mm height, and scale the rest of the building accordingly.

Thank you for the quick reply ...

So assume figs will be 34-35 mm and craft all terrain on 38 mm and things will work themselves out?

If I had a figure of that scale, would be easier. I do not ... never done any of this ... and, thus, the ask vs buying a few.

My thoughts were to learn how to model/paint via the terrain prior to my mini army showing up in Q1

4 minutes ago, Admiral Deathrain said:

Don't concern yourself with exact measurements too much if you don't want to achieve a certain height for rules purpose. Make doors large enough so they look right next to the mimiatures, meaning 38-ish mm height, and scale the rest of the building accordingly.

This...

I made the building slightly taller than I would have done for the "28mm" games I'm used to but it still works next to these miniatures. The figure in the pictures is an old WotC RPG miniature. These miniatures were branded as 30mm. The one you see here stands 32mm tall. Thats just 3mm less than Legion-Luke...

I have an old Revell X-Wing which is around 1:56 that I'm working on right now. It looks fine with the WotC miniature so it might be a bit small next to Legion figures but I guess that's OK for terrain... Always have in mind that scales in Star Wars are never absolute numbers, at least for the OT stuff... Just have a look at the Millenium Falcon cockpit which grew with every movie...^^

Awesome. This is super helpful for me. Let's just say I am arts/iit minded and, well, models/scales not super natural

And ... I have decided to test all this out on some stuff that would be Eadu-esque. Very few photos. In fact there are very few photos, which includes concept art, of what would be Imperial buildings. I did, though, read a cool article ... forgot person's name but tied to Lucas films ... about the theory of Imperial occupation and their buildings being symbiotic and constructed right into the planet, as it was.

Oh, and Eadu is black, grey, dark grey, black, black, light grey ... so pretty forgiving and inexpensive for me to try this out

Really appreciate feedback and help

What suggestions would you have for Hoth-like terrain? Tundra, snow drifts, that sort of thing?

I start to see some of your construction techniques, but color selection, base/drybrush etc all seem to elude me.

1 hour ago, Hawkstrike said:

What suggestions would you have for Hoth-like terrain? Tundra, snow drifts, that sort of thing?

I start to see some of your construction techniques, but color selection, base/drybrush etc all seem to elude me.

I haven't built any snow terrain yet and have no experience with the state of the art snow effects out there... When I started wargaming you would just use a mix of fine sand, wood glue and white paint and you were good to go...^^

I'm looking forward to it though... Lots of interesting possibilities ranging from Echo base and trenches to caves and frozen lakes.

As for my colour selection. This is all I used for the building itself, two paints and a couple of pigments:

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Drybrushing is a painting technique commonly used in miniature painting. You basically wipe the paint of your brush until there's only very little paint left on it, then you gently brush this semi-dry paint on your miniature/your terrain. The paint will stick to the raised areas and will make any texture you want to highlight more visible.

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In regards to snow ... or snow drifts ... sand drifts ...

You get a decent chemical reaction between baking soda and super glue. I have watched 100s of painting/modeling vids the last 2 weeks. Saw one mentioning this for basing effects. Tried this out and it works. Works well.

Not sure how practical over a large area but ... for finishing touch stuff would imagine it works well

2 hours ago, Dash Two said:

In regards to snow ... or snow drifts ... sand drifts ...

You get a decent chemical reaction between baking soda and super glue. I have watched 100s of painting/modeling vids the last 2 weeks. Saw one mentioning this for basing effects. Tried this out and it works. Works well.

Not sure how practical over a large area but ... for finishing touch stuff would imagine it works well

Very true. The thing about baking soda, however, is it turns yellow after about five years. Whenever you use it for basing purposes, make sure you mix some white paint into it. My standard mix for snow is baking soda, PVA glue, and white paint. I have models I based almost a decade ago with it and they still look as white as snow.

Wow! Thank you so much for posting these @ JohnnyTrash ! This is just the sort of thing that I was looking for. I am really new to building terrain but I really want to build some Star Wars terrain in preparation for this awesome looking game. I love tutorials and this is just what I needed. I hope that there are more to come :)

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srMontresor, very good to know. I have started my little project on some Eadu stuff. Once done will post.

I must first apologize. There is only a "Like this" icon when there should be a "Love this" icon.

Your work is amazing and I really must ask if it hasn't been asked already, Where are the videos detailing your work?

If there aren't any, then there definitely should be. I am so impressed with the amazing work that everyone is sharing.

Thanks a lot for you comments guys! I really appreciate it.

I made some progress and finished another piece of terrain: A crashed X-Wing.

It's probably a bit small for Legion (it's perfectly in scale with my classic West End Games or WoTC miniatures though...) but i'm sure it won't be noticable on the board, especially if you have in mind that FFG might very well go for a sliding scale too...

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I am still attempting to build my first foam board building. You ... and all the videos I have watched of the "How To" variety ... make this look SO easy.

Really good stuff.

WEG crashed an x-wing years ago. This one looks great. Love the building with the great details. Well done.

Aaaand I missed the WEG reference above. Sorry mate! Hate to be redundant. Ibused the inspiration to crash an interceptor and a Naboo N1. They look cool. Scale in this nature isn't a major issue. Crashed vehicles are very forgiving. Love the earlier suggestion using paper models. I plan on crashing a starspeeder 1000 in the future using paper models. Well done!

How many CM long is the xwing? What scale?

On 11.9.2017 at 7:01 AM, Raging Celt said:

Scale in this nature isn't a major issue. Crashed vehicles are very forgiving.

But at a certain scale I think it's not looking good anymore. I searched a bit yesterday, and the only models I could find were 1:72. Wouldn't that be a bit small compared to the figures? I want to avoid buying a model which then looks goofy on the board.

58 minutes ago, MasterZelgadis said:

But at a certain scale I think it's not looking good anymore. I searched a bit yeonsterday, and the only models I could find were 1:72. Wouldn't that be a bit small compared to the figures? I want to avoid buying a model which then looks goofy on the board.

Yeah scale at that level won't always work. For this you'll want 1:48 or so. I know there are a lot of paper models available. That may be a good direction. Some of the WotC vehicles may be okay, particularly if you plan on crashing them. Model companies are similar to miniature companies in they do not adhere to a true standard. ERTL's 1:48 may be different than Bandai's 1:48. Therein lies the discretion and the wiggle room.

Think I have to wait until the 3D printer arrives..

As I wrote on the blog, the X-Wing is about 1:57... Have in mind that this is the "Canon-scale" based on an estimated 12.5m long "original". Especially the OT vehicles may appear larger or smaller in every other shot so don't be too serious about scale references...

The Revell X-Wing works for IA/WotC and WEG and I guess it will still look good next to Legion miniatures.

Ideally, 1:48 or 1:50 is what you're looking for... There are plenty of models in this scale out there... Some out of print but a few very recent ones too, like the Bandai stuff or the Revell AT-AT.

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Hm, but all of them are quite expensive..

I got a Interceptor for 14 bucks on ebay. 1:56 scale. There are a bunch of xwings on ebay for same price and scale. Check Revell models.

I'm a big fan of Bandai though those run smaller. (To be fair I still run true 25mm and Bandai is a gift for that scale.) I am curious to see what the 3d print community has in store for Legion.