As a bit of context, I've recently come into a bunch of IA stuff and I've been enjoying playing and painting quite a bit of Runewars.

I wanted to love Legion and spent some time reading as much as I can about it. As much as Legion would seem to be aimed right at buyers like me (active wargamers who LOVE star wars) I'll be skipping it. Part of that is disgust over the scale change which seems like a bizairre combination of a money grab and FGG not taking an easy chance to reward it's fans, many of whom have spend years buying IA product. Part is just not needing another project when I've already got Runewars, IA, Konflikt '47, Frostgrave and various other irons in the fire. That said, if the Legion scale was the same as IA, I'd find it very hard to resist going in.

In the end, I'm not a tournament gamer anyway so if I decide I want more or different rules than IA skirmish there are plenty of other great rulesets I can use to game with the IA figs I have on my own terms.

On 9/26/2017 at 0:09 AM, Omegaclone said:

Well I live in South East Texas, flood waters reached 36" inside my house completely engulfing the underside of my game table and about 44" in my studio in the garage saturating much of paints and other hobby supplies. I lost all my X-Wing cards and base tiles. I was able to save all my painted IA miniatures and primed ones on my studio floor. In a strange twist some of my Imperial Assault campaign materials survived; large hero cards, Imperial Deck, some upgrades and all the map tiles were high enough. All the Command Deck cards and individual character cards were lost. I have/had two of every box expansion thus far and in some case multiples of the blister packs. A few I hadn't opened like 2 New Jawas, though sealed, still contained water ruining the cards, figures are still usable.

Soooooo, I'm going all in for Legion, my reasoning for purchasing large amounts of IA was to have battles like what Legion is going to offer.

I highly doubt I will re-purchase every expansion in IA just for the paper/card components. I will purchase the Main set again one day.

Wow, really sorry to hear about that.

I'm sure your games are hardly your biggest concern right now, but just so you know, FFG is usually good about replacement parts. I'm not sure they'll be able to get everything back to you that you lost, but you can always make your case.

Anyway, hope you guys are doing okay now.

On 10/11/2017 at 2:51 PM, subtrendy2 said:

Anyway, hope you guys are doing okay now.

Much obliged my friend. We’re staying with some family now. Things are starting to move along with the repairs on the house. It’ll still be months before we get back in. Other than the wait we are fine.

I actually went through and found what I did and didn’t lose to send over to FFG.

If the games were in the same scale I would be all over Legion. I've painted nearly all the IA minis now, and never want to paint another stormtrooper. If the minis were the same size I could update my collection with new sculpts when ready, but as of now I'm very unsure. I imagine I will play a bit, but use IA minis where possible.

On 4. 9. 2017 at 11:31 PM, GilmoreDK said:

I will see if it is feasible to buy dice and tools separately and then use AI and SW miniatures figures along with proxies for all cards. It won't do for tournaments but that is not really me anyhow (except for Armada tournaments which I really enjoy and I find Armada to be awesome right now with the squadrons having value and a role along the big ships) .

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/10/25/the-tools-of-war/

I.A. All the way. Would only buy this if the minis were pre-painted...which they are not.

On 10/22/2017 at 9:20 AM, fishlegs said:

If the games were in the same scale I would be all over Legion. I've painted nearly all the IA minis now, and never want to paint another stormtrooper. If the minis were the same size I could update my collection with new sculpts when ready, but as of now I'm very unsure. I imagine I will play a bit, but use IA minis where possible.

This is 100% my opinion, too. I'm totally drawn to the tile-based gameplay versus the 40k style tray shuffling movement of Legion, but I would likely have bought 1 of everything JUST to expand the miniature collection.

I seriously can't believe they made them a different scale.

31 minutes ago, Arttemis said:

This is 100% my opinion, too. I'm totally drawn to the tile-based gameplay versus the 40k style tray shuffling movement of Legion, but I would likely have bought 1 of everything JUST to expand the miniature collection.

I seriously can't believe they made them a different scale.

IA models are beautiful, compared to other board or grid based miniature games.

But compared to full fledged miniature games they aren't up to snuff. If that's the market you're trying to capture you can't be offering lower quality models.

And the smaller the scale the less detail especially for human sized models.

1 hour ago, ScottieATF said:

IA models are beautiful, compared to other board or grid based miniature games.

But compared to full fledged miniature games they aren't up to snuff. If that's the market you're trying to capture you can't be offering lower quality models.

And the smaller the scale the less detail especially for human sized models.

Ultimately, I want the gameplay of IA, and I would have wanted the miniatures of Legion, but since they're not compatible, they lost me.

Just putting my vote in on the other side. I don't play IA, I don't plan on ever playing IA. Just not my style. I used to play warhammer a long time ago, but quit because I hate GW as a company. I love FFG, I love Star Wars, and I love tabletop minis. Slam-dunk, Legion all the way baby!!!!!!!!

3 hours ago, ScottieATF said:

IA models are beautiful, compared to other board or grid based miniature games.

But compared to full fledged miniature games they aren't up to snuff. If that's the market you're trying to capture you can't be offering lower quality models.

And the smaller the scale the less detail especially for human sized models.

This, many people don't understand what a miniature game is. It is mostly painting and terrain building. Game play is really secondary and actually playing the game is minor part of the hobby. FFG needed to increase the size for more detail to compete in the miniatures space. Realistically, I still am not sure they took it far enough. The IP will probably carry them though.

For most people, AI is the better game for them. It is a board game, not a miniatures game, hasbro marketing debacle set aside, and is simply more accessible and has more game modes. All the X-Wing players that shunned AI because the ooo gray models, ick, problem but are for some reason excited about this game are about to waste a lot of money on plastic that will set in their closets.

1 hour ago, Arttemis said:

Ultimately, I want the gameplay of IA, and I would have wanted the miniatures of Legion, but since they're not compatible, they lost me.

In AI base size matter as you need to see the corners to check line of sight, otherwise it isn't terrible relevant and checking line of site of an slight over sized model isn't hard to do at all. They really are close enough in size to substitute in Legion models for existing AI models. Of course the cards that really control the game elements will stay the same. I don't see too many people paying $50 for a Legion AT-ST and swamping out the base to have a slightly more detailed model. The AI model is $20 for basically the same thing.

well after the crap FFG are doing with X-Wing and Destiny, i no longer have faith in FFG design teams. So no Legion.

2 minutes ago, Darth evil said:

well after the crap FFG are doing with X-Wing and Destiny, i no longer have faith in FFG design teams. So no Legion.

Like what exactly? Just curious on your viewpoint? Seems they saw how the meta was going, saw NPEs and fixed them as best as they could.

3 minutes ago, poke450 said:

Like what exactly? Just curious on your viewpoint? Seems they saw how the meta was going, saw NPEs and fixed them as best as they could.

the Jumpmasters have been op for 2 years, they have been nerfed 4 times.

2 hours ago, Darth evil said:

the Jumpmasters have been op for 2 years, they have been nerfed 4 times.

Right at home with other miniature game producers. It took PP till it's 3rd edition to get people to actually use their titular model type in actual play.

Seriously look at other miniature games, it's not a well balanced market.

My primary concern with this game (Legion) is that with only two forces (and all of them known quantities), there is no 'Rock, Paper, Scissors' element.

I've stayed away from watching demos and any 'tube documents. I know the lure will be too great and I won't be able to resist. However, I think that since Imperial Assault has two elements to the game (Campaign and Skirmish), it's a little more bang for the buck.

I'll be watching carefully, and listening to others on the line chattering about it, and I'll attempt to make an informed decision later. Besides, over here in Australia, the cost will be double the listed USD (usually how it works).

3 hours ago, Darth evil said:

the Jumpmasters have been op for 2 years, they have been nerfed 4 times.

I am so confused by this sentence.

If a ship has been over powered for 2 years and you complain about them trying bring it align with other ships isn't that them just trying to balance things?

3 hours ago, Darth evil said:

well after the crap FFG are doing with X-Wing and Destiny, i no longer have faith in FFG design teams. So no Legion.

That is for the best. WH is on what, 8 ed now or something? If rule changes bother you, stay far away from miniature games or any competitive game really.

You know at some point somebody will put the legion rules and cards on the net. Then IA players will be able to play legion with their existing mini's.

9 minutes ago, SnowWulf said:

You know at some point somebody will put the legion rules and cards on the net. Then IA players will be able to play legion with their existing mini's.

I think is is already happening to be honest (but obviously restricted to rules as know).

Bought the Heart of the Empire campaign expansion along with Maul, Ahsoka, and the Emperor when they came out earlier this month.
Buying Guns for Hire today.
Buying the Legion core and all the expansions when they come out.

My only issue will be finding the time to play all of them.

Admittedly haven't read the entire thread, but here are my thoughts regardless...

I expect to buy into this game, even though I don't love the idea of it. I've come to find that for a game to be truly good, there have to be enough local players to not play the same people repeatedly. I believe Legion is going to be big, I just see a ton of people showing interest. Having a large pool of people to play with, along with (what I assume will be) a well-built game is going to make it hard to avoid.

IA will stay in my collection, as I play several campaigns with a group of friends. I don't do skirmish at all... Armada is my current favorite game, but our local group has dropped to 3 consistent players (that's including me). I fear that Armada may effectively vanish, but I'm already tiring of playing the same people over and over and over.

I honestly think FFG has released too much too fast and fractured their player bases. We used to have a thriving 40k Conquest (LOVED the game) community, then GoT (meh...) dropped and Conquest died. I'm curious to see if L5R (haven't tried it yet) is going to take a big chunk out of GoT, I think it will. It's good from a business sense, keep selling new product and all... but I'm getting frustrated as a gamer as people keep moving on from what I consider to be amazing games.

@IronNerd I think making sure there is an actual player base before buying into the game is the best idea. I would caution though, many will buy into this game because it is star wars. Once they figure out what a miniature game actually is, they will quit. I think Legion is a hold for 3 months before buying in to make sure the game will actually get played. Otherwise you'll end up with another Runewars. The new pretty people buy but then don't play.

1 hour ago, Mep said:

@IronNerd I think making sure there is an actual player base before buying into the game is the best idea. I would caution though, many will buy into this game because it is star wars. Once they figure out what a miniature game actually is, they will quit. I think Legion is a hold for 3 months before buying in to make sure the game will actually get played. Otherwise you'll end up with another Runewars. The new pretty people buy but then don't play.

Oh boy, that's another crazy point. I was fully expecting to try out Runewars, but I was waiting for a faction I found interesting. The Elves came along and piqued my interest. Then they announced Legion before you could even get your hands on most of the Runewars product. Feels like they are going to gut Runewars before they even get off the ground with Legion coming so hot on its heels.

You're right though. I'm that guy who has way too many armies of games I don't play because they were a flash in the pan. Guild Ball was crazy fun, but it felt like the community only really cared for about 2 months, then it was on to other things. I need to stop being that guy...