Hey, all! Got some doubts while playing with those cards for first time. Thanks for all the replyes beforehand! o/

First doubt is... when I use the G-8 Projectors against a ship like the Liberty with Engine Techs, can it change the speed in both times during the normal maneuver and when it is going to use Engine Techs or must be one or another? And if the Liberty is on speed 3, the G-8 Projectors makes it temporaly go down to speed 2 and the Liberty wants to use a Nav dial or a token to increase back to speed 3, is this allowed or it must keep at speed 2?

And about the Projection Experts, if a Nebulon-B is running with Projection Experts, Redemption and have both the Repair dial and a token, and it wants to move 2 shields to another friendly ship. From what I see, the Nebulon have 3 points on dial, 2 points for token and another extra point from Redemption, so it can spend 2 points to move 2 shields to a friendly ship and then spend the rest of the points to repair its own 2 shields that were just moved, is this correct? And when you are moving shields from a ship to another ship like that, can you move from more than one hull side to more than one hull side? Like, 1 from left and 1 from back hull sides to a front side and any other hull side of that damaged ship?

1) You can only issue a single Maneuver command in a turn
2) The speed of the Engine Techs Maneuver can not be altered
3) G-8 Projectors does not alter the speed dial of a ship.

Thus, if a Liberty is going speed 3 and you use G-8s to slow it to speed 2 - it can not do anything to bring that speed back up to 3.
G-8s make the ship go (dial speed - 1). The ship's dial is already at 3 and a maneuver command can't make it 4.

Edit (thanks to those who corrected me) : The Maneuver command can't alter the speed of Engine Techs. G-8 certainly can.

10 minutes ago, Democratus said:

2) The speed of the Engine Techs Maneuver can not be altered

It can be altered. And it can be done with G-8.

At least this is what the FAQ (page 12) says:

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G-8 Experimental Projector
When this effect is resolved on an enemy ship and that ship changes its speed dial during the Determine Course step, the ship’s speed is temporarily reduced by 1 from the current speed on its dial.
This effect can be resolved on an enemy ship that is executing a maneuver from an effect such as Engine Techs. This effect is resolved before the Determine Course step of that maneuver and reduces the ship’s temporary speed by 1 to a minimum of 0.

1 minute ago, Tokra said:

It can be altered. And it can be done with G-8.

Sorry. I meant it can't be altered with a Maneuver command.

just wanted to make it clear as well for the OP that the G-8 can be used to ruin the move of the Liberty .

Also, you can't use it to -1 on both the normal maneuver and the ET movement, as you need to exhaust the card

And for the second part of your question, yes, Redemption on a Neb with Projection Experts can move 2 shields to another ship, then repair back its own now missing shields. Furthermore, the moved shields can be placed on any hull zone(s) of the recipient ship, and are not restricted to the hull zones from which they originated on Redemption.

1 hour ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Redemption on a Neb with Projection Experts can move 2 shields to another ship, then repair back its own now missing shields.

Is there confirmation from somewhere that this is possible? It sounds how Projection Experts is supposed to work, but might it not count as resolving the same command more than once? Is Projection Experts resolving a repair command, or is it a single "repair effect" as part of the whole resolve command step?

I guess the same goes for any upgrade card that requires a command... which would mean you couldn't change speed and use Engine Techs in a single activation. And more importantly, things like Flight Controllers and Admiral Chiraneau would be pointless.

I guess it comes down to a lack of clarity as to what "[symbol]: [effect]" means. Do you just have to have resolved that command at some point in the activation?

10 minutes ago, Grumbleduke said:

I guess it comes down to a lack of clarity as to what "[symbol]: [effect]" means. Do you just have to have resolved that command at some point in the activation?

Lack of Clarity?

Its about as clear as it can be when you find it in the Rulebook

RRG, Page 5, "Effect Use and Timing"

• Effects with a command icon as a header, such as “NAV:,” can be resolved once while the ship is resolving the matching command.

So they can be resolved once while the ship is resolving the command...

So effectively, you add the Projector Experts effect to the list of things you can do with the Engineering Points You don't generate extra points, you don't generate extra commands... You just add another dot point to what you can while you're spending Engineering points.

Same as spending a Nav Dial and firing engine techs with it does not stop you from changing your speed or adding a click of Nav to your maneuver with the navigate command.

Ah, sorry. My bad.

Just now, Grumbleduke said:

Ah, sorry. My bad.

No Worries! I'm just happy being able to reinforce this one and feel like I redeem myself a little. The last couple of weeks in the Rules forum has seen me make some absolute whoppin' mistakes... >.>

Leia would be perfect for the redemption build.

17 hours ago, Visovics said:

Also, you can't use it to -1 on both the normal maneuver and the ET movement, as you need to exhaust the card

Yes you can :-)

That's why we have the Interdictor title:-)

Exhaust ,Refresh and Exhaust again.....then listen to your opponents sweet swearing :-)

30 minutes ago, Wetaas said:

Yes you can :-)

That's why we have the Interdictor title:-)

Exhaust ,Refresh and Exhaust again.....then listen to your opponents sweet swearing :-)

I don't think that works. The title is exhausted when the ship activates, and the G8s exhaust when it first moves. So the enemy activates (window for exhausting title passes), it moves (G8s exhaust), then it ETs (G8s exhausted, title window passed), and that's it.

GNIPs is correct in that.

The "when" means "at the start of". Not anytime during. So the Interdictor title can only refresh it at the start of a ship's activation.

So you cannot use the G8s on both a standard maneuver and the engine tech maneuver for a single ship...

G8s can be used on either an initial maneuver or an Engine Techs maneuver. (Ignore the normal move and then reduce their engine techs to speed 0. They can't do anything about it. Nothing ). But you can't do both on one ship, as there is no 'start of activation' to trigger Interdictor.

Can totally do it, either initial or engine techs, on two ships, if you have interdictor, though.

1 hour ago, Wetaas said:

Yes you can :-)

That's why we have the Interdictor title:-)

Exhaust ,Refresh and Exhaust again.....then listen to your opponents sweet swearing :-)

To refresh the card, you'd need another ship activating in the meantime, so you can't use twice against the same ship on the same turn

I believe you are right in this :-(

Those were all good replyes, thanks all!

Also interesting that the Interdictor title can be used while an enemy ship activates, I didn't paid attention to that as it doesn't say "friendly ships", lol xD