"Not playable...for some time." Like, 1 month after release? 6 weeks? Those Lion players at Winter Court have all the opportunity in the world to switch to a different role that allows them to play that card, if they want. It's not clearly showing anything about whether or not FFG thought things through, all it shows is that they decided on a system that you don't like. Unfortunately you are in a minority, if the previous threads hashing and rehashing this issue are any indication. We can hash out that whole argument (again) in this thread, but all it's really going to amount to is people on both sides saying the same things they've been saying since the roles were first announced.

1 hour ago, ForceM said:

And believe me i have seen innovative (fun) decks that nearly came from nowhere and that no one had on his radar do very well on Koteis in the old L5R. This could be somewhat hampered here.

I don't need to believe you, I know those unexpected decks for a fact. Back in prehistory a bunch of dedicated Harrier players spent their times trying to show the Clan what was the right path in front of us... That ended with a Harrier deck base that won few Koteis during the season and performed reasonably well in numerous others, including my local one (100+ attendants) where I managed to drive it to top clan. The deck was fun to play but complicated as ****, and suffered from a number of issues, most of them derived from the constrictions the deck had both in building (mandatory inclusion/exclusion of certain cards) and in play style (mainly reactive). The reason the deck did well during the season is that it wasn't very well known being kept secluded in Shiro Giji and so it wasn't normally included in the meta gauntlet for deck testing. Most dominant decks from any clan at that time could include tools to deal with the tricks included in the Harriers deck without any detrimental side effect because of their lack of restrictions (at least, compared to the amount of restrictions the Harriers deck had). Have been the meta less optimised, the Harriers deck could have done better by itself and not just out of surprise. I feel the fixed roles just achieve this less optimised environment. Obviously we feel different about this subject and for me it is perfectly OK to agree on disagree.

1 hour ago, ForceM said:

And second, it can lead to clans with suboptimal roles for their playstyle, while others get the best role for their optimal build. Which could then lead to a bit of a worse balance between clans. I don't claim to know if this is the case right now or will be in the future. But it is possible.

Roles are selected for a year, and cannot be repeated. It could be argued that the card pool could evolve so that a favoured clan could pick a different optimal role after dominating a season due to their previous optimal role choice... but that would imply some kind of pro-clan or anti-clan conspiracy from FFG. I think this is a bit too early for that, don't you? ;-)

1 hour ago, Zesu Shadaban said:

[...] all it shows is that they decided on a system that you don't like. Unfortunately you are in a minority, if the previous threads hashing and rehashing this issue are any indication. We can hash out that whole argument (again) in this thread, but all it's really going to amount to is people on both sides saying the same things they've been saying since the roles were first announced.

Plus this, of course.

2 hours ago, ForceM said:

This is not about the card being powerful or playable or not. It's just clearly showing that they did not d fully think this seeker/keeper thing through.

A clan card should be playable by the associated Clan. On Tournaments.

The other thing is that in this pack we get how many? 2 cards per clan? And one of them is already not playable for Lion, at least for some time. With the possibility that further cards will become unplayable or the opposite depending on choices at worlds?

I think we have a right to complain about that.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean FFG didn't fully think it through.

I hate getting mana screwed when I play magic but I don't constantly excercise my "right to complain." We all get the you, and a few others, don't like this, and yes you are entitled you your opinion and to complain about things. Being upset about a bad card not being able to be played demonstrates to me that you are complaining for the sake of complaining more than you are "standing up to injustice."

If playing Time of War is really that important to Lion players then they know what they need to do......be top Lion at WC and pick a seeker role.

There is nothing stopping anyone from playing what they want, outside of organized play events, as the roles are not enforced there.

In the first 6 dynasty packs every clan is getting both a Keeper and a Seeker card, so everybody is going to have one in-clan card they can't use. That's going to be normal.

The thing that mollifies me about the tournament-chosen roles is that roles only expand deckbuilding options. If you build your deck per the base rules - 5 different elements for provinces and no more than 10 influence - your deck is completely legal in any environment, no matter which role is picked for your clan.

On 28.8.2017 at 4:05 PM, Ryric said:

In the first 6 dynasty packs every clan is getting both a Keeper and a Seeker card, so everybody is going to have one in-clan card they can't use. That's going to be normal.

The thing that mollifies me about the tournament-chosen roles is that roles only expand deckbuilding options. If you build your deck per the base rules - 5 different elements for provinces and no more than 10 influence - your deck is completely legal in any environment, no matter which role is picked for your clan.

This is the thing that makes the situation much better, because fairer.

On 8/27/2017 at 7:09 AM, barrufet said:

but that would imply some kind of pro-clan or anti-clan conspiracy from FFG. I think this is a bit too early for that, don't you? ;-)

It's never too early to accuse FFG of hating all the bad clans .