1 minute ago, TasteTheRainbow said:Can you coordinate yourself? Is this like a Heragator that doesn't need Ahsoka to hand her the boost?
No. Other ships only.
1 minute ago, TasteTheRainbow said:Can you coordinate yourself? Is this like a Heragator that doesn't need Ahsoka to hand her the boost?
No. Other ships only.
1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:Where is the impression coming from that it's an action to give out a jam token?
Jamming Beam - It's a cannon upgrade
Action: If this attack hits, assign 1 jam token to the defender. Cancel all dice.
Something like that. Can't make out the bottom part of the card unfortunately.
It says Attack though, not Action
That'd be rather irritating if it was an action.
Man that and the Phantom2 having a team slot. Check your eyes people im the one wearing super thick glasses cause im blind lol
Just now, Vineheart01 said:It says Attack though, not Action
That'd be rather irritating if it was an action.
Ha! That is a combination of my new contact lens and me not zooming in enough. ![]()
Apologies!
1 hour ago, Sithborg said:Most likely, other cards will refer to jammed ships.
Maybe the second Gunboat unique pilot?
Well, this just goes to show that FFG don't really understand their own ships - or are just lying to use Rebel players:
As a result of its upgrades, the Phantom II arrives to X-Wing as an attack-ready vessel with two agility, four hull, one shield, and a primary weapon with an attack value of two that you can fire from either its forward firing arc or its auxiliary firing arc.
Not the stats of a 'attack-ready vessel' really... Man, I hate that phantom.
Also am i the only one thats actually getting a little pissed that all the ordnance carriers that might want gchips for imps have 2attack, while scum get 3 again?
XG1 title i wouldnt want the gchips, but that other one clearly does something with torpedos so i probably would want it then. No crit for imperials unless its a backdraft fart or ATC Vader
It appears that once a ship is jammed and recieves a jam token, the token is there until that ship recieved a focus, evade, or target lock. Then you remove the jam and pick another token to remove with it. Or would the jam be removed at the end phase?
10 minutes ago, BrotherFett said:It appears that once a ship is jammed and recieves a jam token, the token is there until that ship recieved a focus, evade, or target lock. Then you have to remove the jam and pick another token to remove with it.
This. (in my understanding)
Edited by Cartchan1 minute ago, Cartchan said:This. (in my understanding)
Yes, but can they be stacked? E.g. can a ship get 2 jam tokens and they stay on the ship until removed with another token?
13 minutes ago, BrotherFett said:It appears that once a ship is jammed and recieves a jam token, the token is there until that ship recieved a focus, evade, or target lock. Then you remove the jam and pick another token to remove with it. Or would the jam be removed at the end phase?
Unless its strawberry
17 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:Also am i the only one thats actually getting a little pissed that all the ordnance carriers that might want gchips for imps have 2attack, while scum get 3 again?
XG1 title i wouldnt want the gchips, but that other one clearly does something with torpedos so i probably would want it then. No crit for imperials unless its a backdraft fart or ATC Vader
Blame Kylo.
1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:Yes, but can they be stacked? E.g. can a ship get 2 jam tokens and they stay on the ship until removed with another token?
Nothing says to remove them other then when they are removed with a token. Do what the card says. Don't do what it doesn't say.
1 minute ago, GreenDragoon said:Yes, but can they be stacked? E.g. can a ship get 2 jam tokens and they stay on the ship until removed with another token?
Why not ? Just like ion token IMHO.
The card reads "Remove the jam token" so you remove one jam token per focus/evade/blue TL token.
Considering its all 1 sentence, i dont see why it wouldnt stack.
Jammed says to discard that token. Then discard a focus/evade/blue TL.
It does NOT say to remove multiple tokens, so in order to do so you must follow the rules over again.
Closest way i could see it is if you had 2 Jammed tokens already on you and you get a focus. You now have two instances of the Jammed effect going off, even though the second no longer has a focus to strip. However that is incredibly reaching, if they intended that they'd just use a plural word on tokens like they have with other tokens.
edit: its not like Ion because Ion does say to remove all ion tokens when you remove them at all.
Edited by Vineheart012 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:Nothing says to remove them other then when they are removed with a token. Do what the card says. Don't do what it doesn't say.
To be fair that is a legit question.
If you have a focus token + 2 jam tokens, do you have to do them one at a time? Or can you check each one off of the same focus token?
Don't forget that "<Initial clause>. Then, do such and such" is the same wording structure that PtL has, and we know that it can be interrupted to resolve another trigger before finishing the clause (in PtL's case, you can do Jake's action if you used PtL to focus, before receiving the stress).
So I would argue that you can see that you have a jam + focus. Remove a jam. See that you still have a jam + focus. Remove a jam. Then, remove a focus. Then, remove a focus (but you're out of focus, so nothing happens).
47 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:Coordinate action specifically calls out to select another friendly ship at range 1-2.
This is how dreams die. With a reference card. Here's to hoping they change it for the non-epic.
gotta love people reaching for a way to make something less powerful through wordplay.
PTL gives you a blip between the action and the assign stress, which allows you to trigger off said action for other actions before getting stressed. What triggers midway through that first "Discard this token" text on the Jam card to let you suddenly discard the second BEFORE getting rid of the focus? If you have 2 Jams and 1 Focus, you are literally triggering them both off the same event but cutting one into the other.
Triggering off the action for PTL for another "after performing action" clause is legal because by doing half of the PTL card you just generated another trigger to interrupt it with, completely separate from what triggered PTL in the first place
13 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:Considering its all 1 sentence, i dont see why it wouldnt stack.
Jammed says to discard that token. Then discard a focus/evade/blue TL.
It does NOT say to remove multiple tokens, so in order to do so you must follow the rules over again.Closest way i could see it is if you had 2 Jammed tokens already on you and you get a focus. You now have two instances of the Jammed effect going off, even though the second no longer has a focus to strip. However that is incredibly reaching, if they intended that they'd just use a plural word on tokens like they have with other tokens.
edit: its not like Ion because Ion does say to remove all ion tokens when you remove them at all.
There could be (and I have seen nothing to say this is true, simply stating the possibility) that the JAMMED status has other things associated with it. Such as a ship that is JAMMED cannot be assigned a Jam token, etc. But I am sure we will have an article to flesh out this pretty soon.
Seeing as it comes from attacks stacking Jam tokens doesn't appear to be all that harmful and instead a good trade-off and possibly give some more life to support-class ships.
26 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:Nothing says to remove them other then when they are removed with a token. Do what the card says. Don't do what it doesn't say.
Wow, get off your high horse for a moment. We don't have all the cards yet, did that thought ever cross your mind? We have no idea yet how jammed works. The last sentence '... count as Jammed' makes it clear that we have not heard all rules yet.
28 minutes ago, Cartchan said:Why not ? Just like ion token IMHO.
The card reads "Remove the jam token" so you remove one jam token per focus/evade/blue TL token.
Maybe, maybe not. That's why I asked.
We have the reference card. What else do you think might have the Jam rules other than that?
1 hour ago, admat said:Product codes 68 & 71 are missing. Most probably one Resistance and one First Order ship from The Last Jedi... so another 5-ship wave.
Well, maybe yes, maybe no. Can we get the 3rd starter set, anyone?
15 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:This is how dreams die. With a reference card. Here's to hoping they change it for the non-epic.
Coordinate is already in non-Epic, via the Upsilon... They won't be changing it.
Just now, ssspikeee said:Well, maybe yes, maybe no. Can we get the 3rd starter set, anyone?
True! That's another possibility, and I just realized product code 67 is also missing.
1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:We have the reference card. What else do you think might have the Jam rules other than that?
Any other card that handles jam tokens? The inevitable faq? That half card sure lools incomplete to me, and definitely does not answer all questions.
I don't know. Hence my question...
1 minute ago, thespaceinvader said:We have the reference card. What else do you think might have the Jam rules other than that?
Beyond that, there are no other cards in the fan that indicate they have additional rules for Jam. What you see on the card is what you have.