If they had offered a 27(32mm) and a 10mm game..

By VAYASAN, in Star Wars: Legion

32 mm! The mini's at that scale look gorgeous. Terrain and gameplay at that scale also allows for a really immersive experience.

Many of the IA characters look already magnificent.. can't wait to see what they come up with in legion.

A smaller scale game would be probably more suitable for the clone wars era.

As a hobbiest (which this game is obviously appealing to to some degree) I'd definitely prefer 27+. Honestly if it was 10/15mm prepainted I'd probably skip it (just like X-Wing and Armada).

I'm with 27+ (or 30-34mm) - I'm used to playing 4x6 tables and imo 28-34mm fits nicely for both smaller skirmish encounters as well as larger battles - while still being large enough for me to paint them to a satisfying standard - so Star Wars Legion is spot on for me.:)

27mm, the benefits of smaller scale ie AtAt's doesn't overcome having tiny hero units and an unpopular scale compaired to other successful miniature games. The flames of war crowd are not who FFG are targeting

10mm, hands down. I want Battle of Hoth scale as a standard battle, with combined air and ground units on a more reasonable scale.

I do have it now, but I had to write my own rules.

6 hours ago, Extropia said:

32mm, and here’s my reasons:

- I, people I know, and our LGS all have lots of suitable terrain already.

- Imo the models look better

- Small scale ground games are quite simply less popular. Less popular means less players, which means less profit for FFG, which means less support.

- This era doesn’t fir epic scale battles. If they had picked the Clone Wars maybe it’d be different, but they didn’t.

- Similar to an earlier point...32mm will be faaaar easy to attract. Ew players with than 10mm. It looks visually immediately striking, and has all the iconic characters clearly visible.

100% agree.

Also I think the target market for FFG is Games Workshop. Past, current and future players!

Ask yourselves this, if this was your business which would you start with? If you have any business acumen you would first ask where is the $$ (potential profit) in this space (table top games), and even without any market research on the subject walk into a GW store (plus LGS') and take a look at what is stocked on the shelves and what format are people playing? I haven't done the formal research or data collection, however safe to say not much epic gets stocked or played, in my city.

There was another post that listed almost all the 10-15mm mini games and most of the games seem out of print.

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Im the OP on this thread and back in August(wow) I was slightly annoyed it wasnt 10mm etc......right now I just cant bloody wait for Legion :D

28-32mm is by far the more popular scale, so that.

As much as 10-15 mm had possibilities, the larger size was probably the right choice.

There are far fewer sucessful systems in the smaller size, and some very big names with failed games at that scale

Me and a buddy were so into the idea of 10mm Star Wars we are building our own sets. The old battle of hoth action scene kit has the troopers in that scale and ban dai makes 1-144 vheicals that are close enough to 10mm.

but I’m tempted to build a rebel army for legion as I already have a bunch of FFG storm troopers and a nice ban dai AT-ST.

36 minutes ago, TylerTT said:

Me and a buddy were so into the idea of 10mm Star Wars we are building our own sets. The old battle of hoth action scene kit has the troopers in that scale and ban dai makes 1-144 vheicals that are close enough to 10mm.

but I’m tempted to build a rebel army for legion as I already have a bunch of FFG storm troopers and a nice ban dai AT-ST.

Then theres this^

If you hunt the xwing forums hard enough there is a ruleset there that should suit.

Yep! In addition to the x-wing ground assalt rules we are primarily building our kit for the assalt on hoth board game from west end Games.

for that I’m using roughly x-wing scale vheicals with 1-144 scale ground troops.

we are also dreaming of building scarif and Endor adaptations of that hoth board game.

The larger the better, because I want to paint them. The 28mm Imperial Assault miniatures are bad quality. So hopefully with larger size and improved plastic Legion will be better.

4 hours ago, onebit73 said:

The larger the better, because I want to paint them. The 28mm Imperial Assault miniatures are bad quality. So hopefully with larger size and improved plastic Legion will be better.

Same here. If this was a 10mm, I would’ve just bought armada instead.

I wouldn't be the least bit interested if it was any other scale than what it is. Use to play the LOTR game way back in the day then totally forgot this world even existed until I stumbled across a pic of legion online

definitely 32 for the more detailed minis

15mm... You get all the benefits of bigger scale stuff (recognizable heroes/individually based models) while getting to field a full platoon or more plus lots of vehicles (especially AT-ATs).

Plus you've got a lot of cross sales from the 15mm sci-fi crowd (who buy enough stuff to keep quite a few cottage industries in business already) who've been chomping at the bit for official 15mm Star Wars figures for many years.

I prefer 28/32 mm but I hope FFG will reprint a new versione of Assault on Hoth of West End Game with new material near 10mm scale.

As much as I get the appeal of a 15mm scale, I think it was the better decision for ffg to go with the 30-something and I would have voted for it too.

It's just my opinion, but the chances of a success with a 15mm game are not that big. I wouldn't be upset if they will release a game with that scale in the future (and I would buy it), but that will only happen if Legion is successful. The other way around would be more risky and if it doesn't do well, maybe they wouldn't think about another miniature game for quite some time. Just my thoughts.

And I just like the bigger minis ;)

15 mm is the devils scale for human figures. The hardest to paint and the least satisfying results. I painted a nearly full set of 1st edition battle lore with expansions and it is the worst!

Just a bit smaller and the figures are a breeze to paint. Twice as big and the results are worth the effort.

In 10mm the characters of Star Wars are expressed the same way as armada. On cards showing who is piloting what.

Also it’s not that hard to tell characters apart at 10mm if they have strong silhouettes.

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2 hours ago, TylerTT said:

15 mm is the devils scale for human figures. The hardest to paint and the least satisfying results. I painted a nearly full set of 1st edition battle lore with expansions and it is the worst!

Just a bit smaller and the figures are a breeze to paint. Twice as big and the results are worth the effort.

In 10mm the characters of Star Wars are expressed the same way as armada. On cards showing who is piloting what.

Also it’s not that hard to tell characters apart at 10mm if they have strong silhouettes.

I feel you! I have a first edition battle lore set with 3 painted figures... I gave up after that.

10-15mm for me. The 28-32mm and up is currently the popular trend in war gaming lately but I play with 1/72 scale or 20mm for my historical war gaming and prefer the smaller scale. They are a lot cheaper too in plastic and can make a gaming table look nice with all those figures around the battlefield. 10-15mm would have made it look really epic especially for Hoth. 15mm might have been a really good scale since many stores have terrain and tables set up for Flames of War.

On 1/6/2018 at 10:16 PM, Hawkstrike said:

10mm, hands down. I want Battle of Hoth scale as a standard battle, with combined air and ground units on a more reasonable scale.

I do have it now, but I had to write my own rules.

Thing is that the biggest battle in the whole original trilogy (Hoth)... is actually quite small. It has... what, a couple of dozen vehicles all told, and what appears to be... maybe a company of infantry on each side? Now, this is above the scale Legion, certainly, but you could do a satisfactory representative snapshot. For larger scale games it has the problem if you do something suitable for large scale battles (like 6mm), the forces are actually... a little underwhelming, particularly the infantry (and any chance of representing the heroes, which is what Star Wars is really about), espcially that. If you go for an intermediate scale (like 15mm) then you get issues representing the AT-ATs (who are after all the focus of the whole battle) in a satisfactory and practical way (they are soooo much bigger than the infantry that they would still be daftly large models to have in any meaningful number).

I do think "heroic 28mm", which is what I would think of these falling into, is the right scale for the original trilogy battles, particularly considering that the Rebel Alliance are a guerrilla organisation that don't want to take part in large battles like that.

The prequel trilogy era on the other hand is suitable for lots of big battles... though frankly, seeing as the droids seems to presented as fighting in column, it feels almost like a decent set of Napoleonic rules is all you need for that.

Keep in mind that hoth was the biggest fight shown on screen but that there were many fights Pre ANH and post ROTJ

I would rather FFG make the small scale Star Wars ground game as a boxed game with big boxes expansions. Like tide of iron instead of armada. They are choking the market with Star Wars constructable army Games. A Purpose built scenario game is what I’m after with larger scale battles.

One Core set for hoth

two core sets to play epic hoth

one expansion for scarif

one expansion for Endor

one post ROTJ battles for Jaku and imperial base assaults.

This channel is pretty awesome for terrain. I want a 3D printer now.

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