Should the World Championships alternate locations? One year US, next Europe and then Asia, then loop back round?

this would give players a chance to;

a) visit new locations and b) spread cost of travel

just a though

no

yes please

I'm not sure how big X-Wing TMG is in asia, so alternating between Europe and US would be fine for now.

23 minutes ago, Shazbot said:

no

Any reason or just "no" am interested in the reason for and against is all

As an Aussie, **** yes, it should move around.

However.

I think the reality is they'll need to host it where they can get the staffing levels they need. Flying many staff overseas, not to mention whatever kit and stuff they need, wouldn't be cheap.

I don't see it happening. Each place with enough players already has it's nationals.

RoV

Just now, the1hodgy said:

Any reason or just "no" am interested in the reason for and against is all

It would cost FFG too much money. They already have an event center(one that sells food at that) Why would they move? For the amount of time and money to rent out some other place in Europe, fly all their people out there, pay for hotels for all their people, ship all the prizes and other materials they need ect ect,.....it would cost like $400 per event for them to even break even. Its not gonna happen.

If they want it to be a real World Championship, they should. They should also change it to include top-ranked players from an even distribution from all over the world.

But yes, that'll cost FFG more, and might even require cross financing from a PR budget to make the event affordable for its players. It would sacrifice short-term profits in for the game's international competitive longevity and prestige.

Should it? Absolutely. That would be expensive though, so they will remain little more than US nats #3.

It should also be an invitational-only for national championship winners (+some other proven players, like SOS winners, previous champions etc.) The way it's set up right now Coruscant Invitational is IMHO a higher-ranking event than worlds (to be precise: CI>Worlds>Continentals>SOS>Nats).

Then again, there are so many things wrong with tournament rules I don't even know where to begin. For example, a top cut single elimination "best of one" is a joke in a game with rather high RNG and a rock/paper/scisors nature.

6 hours ago, the1hodgy said:

Should the World Championships alternate locations? One year US, next Europe and then Asia, then loop back round?

this would give players a chance to;

a) visit new locations and b) spread cost of travel

just a though

Absolutely, though Asia probably doesn't have the player base right now to justify it.

It's not just about the price. It's also about your credibility as an international event.

It would be unthinkable if the olympics was in the same place each time, even though most competitors are sponsored by government and have no trouble raising the funds to attend.

Remember that FFG have said that just over half of their sales are international.

I also want worlds to be an invitational, or need qualification. This would give us higher quality games, and not require such a large event.

If it got to the point where it was as successful as MtG, sure, move locations and have tons of other large events as well.

As is currently, they aren't even close, and FFG OP doesn't seem super interested in pushing the competitive game to those levels anyways with their total lack of streaming efforts beyond worlds and limited software which doesn't care to give players outside of events any easy way to gain information on it.

If it moved more than 15 minutes away from me, then I wouldn't go anymore. So no.

5 hours ago, Elavion said:

Should it? Absolutely. That would be expensive though, so they will remain little more than US nats #3.

It should also be an invitational-only for national championship winners (+some other proven players, like SOS winners, previous champions etc.) The way it's set up right now Coruscant Invitational is IMHO a higher-ranking event than worlds (to be precise: CI>Worlds>Continentals>SOS>Nats).

Then again, there are so many things wrong with tournament rules I don't even know where to begin. For example, a top cut single elimination "best of one" is a joke in a game with rather high RNG and a rock/paper/scisors nature.

Time for a round precludes best of 3. Double-elimination would work better possibly and only adds one round of play post-cut.

10 hours ago, haslo said:

If they want it to be a real World Championship, they should.

To be fair, the recent European Team Championships was more of a "World Championship" than the actual World Championship.

16 minutes ago, Polaritie said:

Time for a round precludes best of 3. Double-elimination would work better possibly and only adds one round of play post-cut.

Overall, I agree that just slapping a bo3 at every top cut game wouldn't work, but that's because there are many other things that should get changed. For example, if worlds became an invitational it would be rather easy to make it, say, a group stage followed by a bo3 double elimination over two or three days.

Another thing I'd love the FFGOP to consider would be a random unannounced round length. For example: each round takes between 65 and 85 minutes, but the exact time isn't announced until the round actually ends. (untested, but it could have an interesting effect on the game).

6 hours ago, Polaritie said:

Time for a round precludes best of 3. Double-elimination would work better possibly and only adds one round of play post-cut.

It could actually add three rounds if the winner of the losers bracket wins the first game against the winner of the winners bracket.

19 minutes ago, arkhamssaber said:

It could actually add three rounds if the winner of the losers bracket wins the first game against the winner of the winners bracket.

No, if that happens the next game ends it no matter what, as both players have a loss.

I have a crazy idea! Let's just keep it the way it is. Seems to work out fine. Last year was a clean cut for dice. The real travesty was when I got paired up against some TLTs round 9 and didn't get said dice :'(.

15 hours ago, Elavion said:

Should it? Absolutely. That would be expensive though, so they will remain little more than US nats #3.

Are we forgetting that the last 2 world champions are not from the US, or just ignoring it?

13 hours ago, tortugatron said:

If it moved more than 15 minutes away from me, then I wouldn't go anymore. So no.

Ah yes, your convenience out weighs every single other person that isn't on the east coast of the US. Like I said, FFG needs to start doing some west coast stuff. I can't justify a 400 dollar plane ticket 3 times a year for a hobby. East coast is spoiled for all things board game related.

2 hours ago, Sekac said:

Are we forgetting that the last 2 world champions are not from the US, or just ignoring it?

So? A good amount of nationals in europe get won by foreigners. Doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming majority of players at every 'worlds' are from USA, and most european players will never be able to play in them. Wouldn't be a problem if it was an invitational, but it's an open.

And it's not just the more casual players, either. I know a lot of amazingly good players who would have a good shot at winning it, but just cannot afford an overseas travel.

On 20.8.2017 at 10:16 AM, Shazbot said:

no

I agree, until there is a stronger following in asia it should just rotate between NA and Europe. Paris would be nice for Europe. Berlin or Vienna would be cool too, you could rotate between those 3 and start in Paris as Asmodee headquarters are there.

40 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

I agree, until there is a stronger following in asia it should just rotate between NA and Europe. Paris would be nice for Europe. Berlin or Vienna would be cool too, you could rotate between those 3 and start in Paris as Asmodee headquarters are there.

Frankfurt, Birmingham and Dublin would be best. All have good airport links, a good convention centre, and aren't traditional holiday spots (Dublin is a bit busier for tourists, but they are cheaper than moet places to fly to) so flights are usually reasonable.

Nothing against those locations either, through Frankfurt is crazy expensive for convention space. It is one of the classic german trade fair cities, which comes with great deal of experience, but has well hotel prices topping tourists centers like Vienna or Paris by large.

And as mentioned, Asmodee is located in Paris, which may or may not help with running the event reasonable easy for FFG, because they already have the connections there.

edit: Tourist city in general make the wife factor much better and usually come with reasonable hotel prices as well. Business centers with a good amount of trade fairs tend to be super expensive for such events, but come with a lot of experience in hosting events as well. A real trade off.

8 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Nothing against those locations either, through Frankfurt is crazy expensive for convention space. It is one of the classic german trade fair cities, which comes with great deal of experience, but has well hotel prices topping tourists centers like Vienna or Paris by large.

And as mentioned, Asmodee is located in Paris, which may or may not help with running the event reasonable easy for FFG, because they already have the connections there.

I suppose they could stick it in Disneyland Paris. I don't know much about the place compared to WDW in Florida, but there's bound to be at least one hotel with convention space, and it is easy to get there from CDG.

6 hours ago, Hujoe Bigs said:

Ah yes, your convenience out weighs every single other person that isn't on the east coast of the US. Like I said, FFG needs to start doing some west coast stuff. I can't justify a 400 dollar plane ticket 3 times a year for a hobby. East coast is spoiled for all things board game related.

East coast? Do you know where Minnesota is?