[MAFIA] The Wheels of Democracy ***GAME OVER***

By JJs Juggernaut, in Star Wars: Armada Off-Topic

Just now, Rocmistro said:

I thought Lylo was "Lynch or lose" and just meant a philosophy that, as much as it pains you, you need to start lynching people early even on the chance you are going to hit townies. Because the alternative, to wait and try to be precise about catching scum, isn't going to get you anywhere.

simpler, just a name for a situational event in what could be the last day or not in a game due to the lynch result

4 minutes ago, moodswing5537 said:

I sure wouldn't want to be lynched. Especially since I haven't seen a single piece of evidence to prove I've acted like scum, or anything but town.

Careful champ, ive used that argument before as scum.

Just now, Madaghmire said:

Careful champ, ive used that argument before as scum.

But I'm not lying....

2 minutes ago, moodswing5537 said:

But I'm not lying....

Used that one too :D

Jesus....nevermind....

Ok guys, it's day 3, and we've had 1 night. Are you townies telling me that no one did anything of use last night that gives us any insight as to what's going on?

So far we have Toad telling us 3 scum, implying he's got some role to know that.

We all know something about mine, Viso and Mad's roles, but, whatever else they are/do, they didn't give us any useful info as to last night.

Pod is a votestealer

Truthi is a filibuster.

That's 6 of 14... - 3 scum, -3 dead, that still leaves 2 people that ought to have something useful to add.

Need a vote count, but I'm fairly confident we have hammer on Pod. Barring a massive shift, I don't see my vote changing.

Also town people, policy vote me 2moro, I've pledged I'm toning down.

Unless your telling me you are all quaking in your boots at the thought of getting stabbed by me tonight?

@ImperialCaptain2017

@TheToadwhat are your thoughts with about 10 hours to go?

30 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

Also town people, policy vote me 2moro, I've pledged I'm toning down.

Unless your telling me you are all quaking in your boots at the thought of getting stabbed by me tonight?

you talk the most and say the least

you're an agent of chaos.

you stole viso's vote and then mood's. Given this (vote steal) is your role, that means you can't have also independently also verified their alignments (and choosing to withold that info).

That's a triple-whammy of scum. Even if you're reckless and not scum, you're just reckless and not doing town any favors. Keeping my vote on you. I implore town to do the same.

If you don't like that, you should re-think your playstyle. Your whole "no guys, I'm like a drunk shao lin monk, you never know where I'm going to be or what I'm going to do!" excuse is lame and I'm just not buying it.

8 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

@ImperialCaptain2017

@TheToadwhat are your thoughts with about 10 hours to go?

I'm working on verifying some peeps... so far I agree with the majority that Pod is a huge distraction and unless we get any better leads his lynching will at least clear the waters

@JJs Juggernaut can we get a count please

@Rocmistro

=] good speech from the guy who managed to slip circle jerkin bitchhes past the sensors, I'm quite comfortable with my style, the only thing I underestimated was the reaction.

1 minute ago, PodRacer said:

@Rocmistro

I'm quite comfortable with my style..

No doubt, #SolipsismRacer

26 minutes ago, TheToad said:

I'm working on verifying some peeps... so far I agree with the majority that Pod is a huge distraction and unless we get any better leads his lynching will at least clear the waters

Isn't this the attitude that's holding town back in this one so far?

Im town toad, you know it , I know it.

i don't intend to play this way 2moro.

dont believe the hype, unless I get the observers lounge and you're scum... In which case... Proceed :)

@BrobaFett how's the more direct investigation going?

if you still have ninja or cal as you're top two suspects vis and I would be happy to back you.

please don't follow the herd

Just now, PodRacer said:

Isn't this the attitude that's holding town back in this one so far?

Im town toad, you know it , I know it.

i don't intend to play this way 2moro.

dont believe the hype, unless I get the observers lounge and you're scum... In which case... Proceed :)

Pod... I'm sure you mean well... I'm also sure we'd get along in RL(anybody who likes Kelly's Heroes is good in my books) but you got to understand that the way you play hurts town. When you stay in the spotlight spouting everything you think of with no filter it draws attention and lets the scum hide behind you.

I like your style and you've got good instincts you really need to work on not saying something unless it needs to be said

dont worry I'm not jumping on any trains... I'm working my angles

12 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

@BrobaFett how's the more direct investigation going?

if you still have ninja or cal as you're top two suspects vis and I would be happy to back you.

please don't follow the herd

I'm not interested in herd following, this is where I am at.

I think @CaribbeanNinja turned around some positive additions to the scum hunt recently, so that was good. I just keep hoping something he says can prove he is town and I don't think we are there yet. Still a suspect, but at least participating in positive scumhunting.

@Caldias posted what appeared like good thoughts on the surface, which were also mostly Truthi's thoughts. Then he faded back into the background. This is the type of Scummaring that town needs to look for- someone pops in, regurgitates something that someone considered more trustworthy has already put out there, and then disappears right back into the background. He also pushed the vote for you pretty hard so you have a vested interest in counter voting him. I still don't disagree with him there because I do believe you are scum this game, my vote is not a policy vote, but if Caldias instead is scum, is he hoping to push hard on you and bus a scummate when the writing on the wall early enough to not be seen as following and earn towncred? Or is he legit town. On the other hand, if you get lynched tonight and turn town, I don't know how I would look at Caldias in the morning.

Mood, despite the fact my joke appears to have kinda gotten under his skin and put him off posting for a minute, does need to join in a bit more too which is all I was trying to say. He woke up and followed on a train with a 1 line response, then responded to pressure with a 1 line cop out of, "please don't lynch me I am town" which Mad was trying to point is about the flimsiest response you could possibly give. Then he left, and hasn't posted since. I figured he would back rather quickly with something a bit more substantial to chew on, but so far @moodswing5537 you have done a ton of reviewing and saying you will post soon, but less actual giving the town original and productive thoughts. I think a lot of us are still waiting to hear the best out of you. (acknoweldge, I am pressing because I think despite this I get a good vibe from you, I just want you to edify that and stop looking like you are hiding)

@Rocmistro crumbed valuable info, then when asked to produce it deflected into attacking Pod, which while it is mostly your fault Pod because you make yourself and easy target, this type of behavior (beating up on you to deflect from personal inquiry) is why you are such an ally to scum even as town.

21 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

Mood, despite the fact my joke appears to have kinda gotten under his skin and put him off posting for a minute, does need to join in a bit more too which is all I was trying to say. He woke up and followed on a train with a 1 line response, then responded to pressure with a 1 line cop out of, "please don't lynch me I am town" which Mad was trying to point is about the flimsiest response you could possibly give. Then he left, and hasn't posted since. I figured he would back rather quickly with something a bit more substantial to chew on, but so far @moodswing5537 you have done a ton of reviewing and saying you will post soon, but less actual giving the town original and productive thoughts. I think a lot of us are still waiting to hear the best out of you. (acknoweldge, I am pressing because I think despite this I get a good vibe from you, I just want you to edify that and stop looking like you are hiding)

Jesus, guys. I talk directly and to the point and Truthi thinks I'm temperamental. I try to back off to gather thoughts, and you think I'm hiding. I understand we are on a witch hunt, but this is getting ridiculous.

So, I followed on a train? Go back and look where my vote was when Norell hung. I started on Pod back in day 2. I pulled my vote recently because I believed his "I'll do better" BS. I won't let that happen again. My vote is cemented there.

My one liners earlier today were because I was driving and I was at red lights trying to respond. My "absence" after that was because I was troubleshooting wireless at a high school. I work during the week, and I respond when I can. Pod and his 40+ pages of useless drivel caused me to turn off my following of the thread because my e-mail was draining my phone battery. Yesterday I had to delete 110 e-mails just after lunch!

Something to chew on. Well, I posted some things I was thinking like 4 pages ago, and I haven't seen responses to those yet. I appreciate the good vibe I give you. It's valid. I am pure town. But I haven't read ANYTHING that states more than "I'm suspicious of mood" in order for me to respond to.

And as far as original and productive thoughts, I have provided WAY more ideas than Imp Capt, yet I see no one pressing him on that or him being more absent than me. THAT is frustrating.

I'll give you more to go on in a minute.......

38 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

I'm not interested in herd following, this is where I am at.

I think @CaribbeanNinja turned around some positive additions to the scum hunt recently, so that was good. I just keep hoping something he says can prove he is town and I don't think we are there yet. Still a suspect, but at least participating in positive scumhunting.

@Caldias posted what appeared like good thoughts on the surface, which were also mostly Truthi's thoughts. Then he faded back into the background. This is the type of Scummaring that town needs to look for- someone pops in, regurgitates something that someone considered more trustworthy has already put out there, and then disappears right back into the background. He also pushed the vote for you pretty hard so you have a vested interest in counter voting him. I still don't disagree with him there because I do believe you are scum this game, my vote is not a policy vote, but if Caldias instead is scum, is he hoping to push hard on you and bus a scummate when the writing on the wall early enough to not be seen as following and earn towncred? Or is he legit town. On the other hand, if you get lynched tonight and turn town, I don't know how I would look at Caldias in the morning.

Mood, despite the fact my joke appears to have kinda gotten under his skin and put him off posting for a minute, does need to join in a bit more too which is all I was trying to say. He woke up and followed on a train with a 1 line response, then responded to pressure with a 1 line cop out of, "please don't lynch me I am town" which Mad was trying to point is about the flimsiest response you could possibly give. Then he left, and hasn't posted since. I figured he would back rather quickly with something a bit more substantial to chew on, but so far @moodswing5537 you have done a ton of reviewing and saying you will post soon, but less actual giving the town original and productive thoughts. I think a lot of us are still waiting to hear the best out of you. (acknoweldge, I am pressing because I think despite this I get a good vibe from you, I just want you to edify that and stop looking like you are hiding)

@Rocmistro crumbed valuable info, then when asked to produce it deflected into attacking Pod, which while it is mostly your fault Pod because you make yourself and easy target, this type of behavior (beating up on you to deflect from personal inquiry) is why you are such an ally to scum even as town.

Clients just left. Honestly, life is pretty busy for me right now, so I'm not able to be as analytical as some, or contribute as frequently, but I've done what I could. I did agree with most of Truth's assessment, but also added my own thoughts to it. I'm afraid I didn't have the bandwidth to commit more than that in the past day. I can be on and off here at the office now that the clients left, and will, as I was yesterday, be available in case some development or a better case is made. I don't see how my vote against Pod is different than the others, especially since there is no real hammer, per se. Aren't you voting for Pod as well? If Pod flips town I will also be looking hard at those that voted for him. I may be the "hammer" but I'm not the only one voting for him.

And I'll be on a few hours before and right up until night falls, so if more comes to light that looks like a better case or my later analysis shifts my vote, I will adjust. Right now I'm content with my vote.

38 minutes ago, moodswing5537 said:

And as far as original and productive thoughts, I have provided WAY more ideas than Imp Capt, yet I see no one pressing him on that or him being more absent than me. THAT is frustrating.

Don't mean to upset you Mood, same to you Caldias. I am trying to find a way to get productive stuff out of people without trolling them insistently or going full on agro with random suspicion. All I did was state my impression (which is only that!) of the material you have thus far posted. I know it's been tough this game to get anything productive out there, but if we don't make a concerted effort to post more than a line at a time, or just follow whatever looks good at a glance, there is a very real chance town could lose.

However Mood, I think what I quoted is a good point! Imp Capt has been flying conspicuously below the radar. I noted this early on in the game, but didn't get any traction on it at all, and was beginning to feel like a broken record so I backed off a bit.

Additionally, though Imp Cap's claim was purely flavor, I will admit it intrigued me because the first thing I thought when I saw MY character was wondering if I would be linked to the person Imp Capt claimed to be. Since we already have an example with that in regards to Mad and his guards, I think there might be something there I am hoping we will see more of as the days progress. On the other hand, because we have very little to go on in regards to Imp Cap except flavor, I have been trying really hard to ignore flavor because, as Mad has already said recently, JJ told us it wouldn't influence anything. I would not mind revisiting Imp Capt with more scrutiny.

@Caldias Yes I am voting for Pod, but as the last umpteen pages can attest, I put myself in the line of his fire for that vote, and weathered every attack he threw at me for making that vote. I have had truthi grab every post I made to that point in this thread to examine me under the microscope. And I did all because I believe Pod is scum this game. That is an awful lot of risk to take for a vote. For everyone else voting for him so far, he has been more or less a safe follow that no one would question. I just don't want scum to get an easy follow, either because they read the writing on the wall and bus him to gain towncred or if he flips town an easy beneficial lynch because we were all wrong and he WAS just being Pod.

1 minute ago, BrobaFett said:

Don't mean to upset you Mood, same to you Caldias. I am trying to find a way to get productive stuff out of people without trolling them insistently or going full on agro with random suspicion. All I did was state my impression (which is only that!) of the material you have thus far posted. I know it's been tough this game to get anything productive out there, but if we don't make a concerted effort to post more than a line at a time, or just follow whatever looks good at a glance, there is a very real chance town could lose.

However Mood, I think what I quoted is a good point! Imp Capt has been flying conspicuously below the radar. I noted this early on in the game, but didn't get any traction on it at all, and was beginning to feel like a broken record so I backed off a bit.

Additionally, though Imp Cap's claim was purely flavor, I will admit it intrigued me because the first thing I thought when I saw MY character was wondering if I would be linked to the person Imp Capt claimed to be. Since we already have an example with that in regards to Mad and his guards, I think there might be something there I am hoping we will see more of as the days progress. On the other hand, because we have very little to go on in regards to Imp Cap except flavor, I have been trying really hard to ignore flavor because, as Mad has already said recently, JJ told us it wouldn't influence anything. I would not mind revisiting Imp Capt with more scrutiny.

@Caldias Yes I am voting for Pod, but as the last umpteen pages can attest, I put myself in the line of his fire for that vote, and weathered every attack he threw at me for making that vote. I have had truthi grab every post I made to that point in this thread to examine me under the microscope. And I did all because I believe Pod is scum this game. That is an awful lot of risk to take for a vote. For everyone else voting for him so far, he has been more or less a safe follow that no one would question. I just don't want scum to get an easy follow, either because they read the writing on the wall and bus him to gain towncred or if he flips town an easy beneficial lynch because we were all wrong and he WAS just being Pod.

No hurt feelings here, just trying to put down my thoughts. We need to get a scum this time or it's going to get bad, so I hope we're right on this one, or we can reassess and find a better target.

I as well have been suspicious of Imp Cap, but his claim was believable to me, but I plan on going back and taking a gander.

1 hour ago, BrobaFett said:

I'm not interested in herd following, this is where I am at.

I think @CaribbeanNinja turned around some positive additions to the scum hunt recently, so that was good. I just keep hoping something he says can prove he is town and I don't think we are there yet. Still a suspect, but at least participating in positive scumhunting.

@Caldias posted what appeared like good thoughts on the surface, which were also mostly Truthi's thoughts. Then he faded back into the background. This is the type of Scummaring that town needs to look for- someone pops in, regurgitates something that someone considered more trustworthy has already put out there, and then disappears right back into the background. He also pushed the vote for you pretty hard so you have a vested interest in counter voting him. I still don't disagree with him there because I do believe you are scum this game, my vote is not a policy vote, but if Caldias instead is scum, is he hoping to push hard on you and bus a scummate when the writing on the wall early enough to not be seen as following and earn towncred? Or is he legit town. On the other hand, if you get lynched tonight and turn town, I don't know how I would look at Caldias in the morning.

Mood, despite the fact my joke appears to have kinda gotten under his skin and put him off posting for a minute, does need to join in a bit more too which is all I was trying to say. He woke up and followed on a train with a 1 line response, then responded to pressure with a 1 line cop out of, "please don't lynch me I am town" which Mad was trying to point is about the flimsiest response you could possibly give. Then he left, and hasn't posted since. I figured he would back rather quickly with something a bit more substantial to chew on, but so far @moodswing5537 you have done a ton of reviewing and saying you will post soon, but less actual giving the town original and productive thoughts. I think a lot of us are still waiting to hear the best out of you. (acknoweldge, I am pressing because I think despite this I get a good vibe from you, I just want you to edify that and stop looking like you are hiding)

@Rocmistro crumbed valuable info, then when asked to produce it deflected into attacking Pod, which while it is mostly your fault Pod because you make yourself and easy target, this type of behavior (beating up on you to deflect from personal inquiry) is why you are such an ally to scum even as town.

Exciting stuff broba =)

my list is basically down to four names

ninja- he didnt just break the fourth dimension he vapourised it. I desperate to get to the observers lounge and see whats what because that was unlike anything iv seen or heard of. ever.

madaghmire, playing perfectly, soooo suspect.

Caldias- playing well again, either this guy swatted up hard or hes being coached

mood- maybe i baffled him maybe i dint, my complaints still stand. im sure his email problem isnt life threatening.

3 minutes ago, BrobaFett said:

Don't mean to upset you Mood, same to you Caldias. I am trying to find a way to get productive stuff out of people without trolling them insistently or going full on agro with random suspicion. All I did was state my impression (which is only that!) of the material you have thus far posted. I know it's been tough this game to get anything productive out there, but if we don't make a concerted effort to post more than a line at a time, or just follow whatever looks good at a glance, there is a very real chance town could lose.

However Mood, I think what I quoted is a good point! Imp Capt has been flying conspicuously below the radar. I noted this early on in the game, but didn't get any traction on it at all, and was beginning to feel like a broken record so I backed off a bit.

Additionally, though Imp Cap's claim was purely flavor, I will admit it intrigued me because the first thing I thought when I saw MY character was wondering if I would be linked to the person Imp Capt claimed to be. Since we already have an example with that in regards to Mad and his guards, I think there might be something there I am hoping we will see more of as the days progress. On the other hand, because we have very little to go on in regards to Imp Cap except flavor, I have been trying really hard to ignore flavor because, as Mad has already said recently, JJ told us it wouldn't influence anything. I would not mind revisiting Imp Capt with more scrutiny.

@Caldias Yes I am voting for Pod, but as the last umpteen pages can attest, I put myself in the line of his fire for that vote, and weathered every attack he threw at me for making that vote. I have had truthi grab every post I made to that point in this thread to examine me under the microscope. And I did all because I believe Pod is scum this game. That is an awful lot of risk to take for a vote. For everyone else voting for him so far, he has been more or less a safe follow that no one would question. I just don't want scum to get an easy follow, either because they read the writing on the wall and bus him to gain towncred or if he flips town an easy beneficial lynch because we were all wrong and he WAS just being Pod.

And like Caldias, I am not mad, Broba. I am SUPER frustrated with this game. I usually like combing through the posts finding links other folks missed....but thanks to the podnado I'm having to get through two thirds more crap than usual. And I feel like folks are getting lost in the weeds too. I'm trying to piece together some tracks to follow through the madness, it's just taking more time.

Honestly, I hope folks look at my posts. if you guys are suspicious of me, let me know and Ill try to explain things if I'm not clear. when pod is gone, things will clear up and we should be able to stay on scum hunting track!