[MAFIA] The Wheels of Democracy ***GAME OVER***

By JJs Juggernaut, in Star Wars: Armada Off-Topic

4 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Im going to

##vote moodswing

I don't know that hes said a word d2. Scum-Mariner.

Does it means you are going to skipper us?

2 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Does it means you are going to skipper us?

I've never believed in anyone"leading" town. Each player should look at the game and vote based on their own perception of tbe evidence, bending to consensus when it makes game sense (for example, voting to establish majority 5 minutes before nightfall to avoid a no-lynch despite not really believing the target should be hammered).

I think people should be evaluating my own, and indeed all, arguments on their own merit. If they see a flaw, they should raise it so we can hammer it out.

At this point tho, I don't think we can allow people to skate. Skating scum is a clear sign that town is on the wrong track. If we were on the right track, they would be more vocal.

@Madaghmire I agree with you on Mood. His play is all too reminiscent of when you two teamed up as scum.

As I've said before, I'm also wary of Roc in the Triumverate, but I'm willing to see what the Triumverate even does before moving on him.

Also, after re-reading this morning...

On 8/25/2017 at 9:53 PM, PodRacer said:

##vote moodswing

wait till whole clumps of hair start falling out in the shower then get back to us =)

Lack of transparency.

12 hours ago, PodRacer said:

if so round up your massive

##vote @BrobaFett

This starts to strike me as interesting. Pod, can you explain your votes? It has gotten where no one even questions you and your lack of logic. (I don't even think Broba acknowledged your vote at all)

I count 5+ votes from you D1 and D2 with little to no reasoning.

17 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

I count 5+ votes from you D1 and D2 with little to no reasoning.

You really wanna go down that route??!

hows your voting record?

1 minute ago, PodRacer said:

You really wanna go down that route??!

hows your voting record?

This is your defense? Seriously?

Everyone knows my voting reasons and record. (0-1) I along with seven others voted for GNiPs. I stand by the reasoning and unfortunately got a **** outcome.

We also know why everybody else has voted for what they have voted for.

I asked for your reasons.

Why did you vote Mood? Why did you vote Broba? That is not too much too ask.

{I'm also letting you know right here, right now, that most of us are really tired of your antics.}

Vis, I think I made clear

roc to push for input

mood, multiple reasons, his S.O.H being used as cover for poor input.

broba, info on one of my mini list of 4

i don't even recall the other.

You are higher up my list now than many of my D1 calls, such is the quality of my play.

16 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I've never believed in anyone"leading" town. Each player should look at the game and vote based on their own perception of tbe evidence, bending to consensus when it makes game sense (for example, voting to establish majority 5 minutes before nightfall to avoid a no-lynch despite not really believing the target should be hammered).

I think people should be evaluating my own, and indeed all, arguments on their own merit. If they see a flaw, they should raise it so we can hammer it out.

At this point tho, I don't think we can allow people to skate. Skating scum is a clear sign that town is on the wrong track. If we were on the right track, they would be more vocal.

Good speech. The captaincy suits you. I will need men like you in the future.

Anyway, Mood is in my list so...

## unvote TheToad

Even when lyncjing him would give us info about flavour value.

## vote Mood

@moodswing5537, what do you think about spending more money on clones production?

1 minute ago, PodRacer said:

Vis, I think I made clear

roc to push for input

mood, multiple reasons, his S.O.H being used as cover for poor input.

broba, info on one of my mini list of 4

i don't even recall the other.

You are higher up my list now than many of my D1 calls, such is the quality of my play.

Oh yes, toad. Also a good vote, as I stated, this guy has it in his remit to fool me

1 minute ago, PodRacer said:

Vis, I think I made clear

roc to push for input

mood, multiple reasons, his S.O.H being used as cover for poor input.

broba, info on one of my mini list of 4

i don't even recall the other.

You are higher up my list now than many of my D1 calls, such is the quality of my play.

Why? Why must you be so **** cryptic?

You do realize by not clearly stating your positions on your actual posts, you force US to go back and verify all of the **** you post. You sometimes post like 10 times in a row and then 2 pages later just throw out:

"Gobbledygook. Vote a player" Sadly this makes too much sense to compare to what you give to us.

Now you put me "higher" on your list for asking you to clarify? [btw I don't give a ***'* *** that I'm on your list.]

All I am saying is what everyone is feeling right now. IMO.

So a few things:

1. I don't want to be part of the triumvirate...whatever that means. I said before I'm too inexperienced to "lead" the town. That wasn't false humility. So you don't need to worry about not having faith in the triumvirate, because I'M NOT IN the triumvirate.

2. I'm growing less and less sure of myself on Visovics. In fact, I'll put it out there: ##unvote Visovics His announcing of his name SG-1983 matches mine (SG-1984), and now he's declared it publically (as I have). It seems townie to do that. If your town, then sorry bro, made a mistake.

3. Truthi. Ah, Truth. I still don't think truthi is town. But I also don't think he's scum. If his ability is one shot, is there a point to lynching him? If he IS third party, lynching him doesn't really do a lot of good except to make Scum's job easier to decide who to whack at night. If we just leave it open for speculation, it might make their job a little tougher. Those of us who don't buy into his reasoning can always just ignore his lynch proposals.

4. That leads me to.... Caldias and Ovi. Can't put my finger on it, but my gut is pointing me at them right now. The scum thing to do seems to be to shark-up when they smell blood. And there was definitely blood on me Day 1. Both of these guys were on me, then switched gears once the heat let up and were happy to go on to GNips. I'm also suspicious of Norell for same reasons as Visovics...assuming I've completely cleared Viso. And Impcaptain is bringing heat on Mad...who, in my opinion, next to myself is the MOST town. Then there's Moodswing, who is suspicious as both Mad and Ninja have said.

Ugh. This is enough to make you nuts.

I'm backing Mad

##vote moodswing5537

2 hours ago, PodRacer said:

@Rocmistro

still ready to lay your life down for the town?

Yes, but generally speaking, I don't think I'm a good candidate for lynching right now.

5 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Why? Why must you be so **** cryptic?

You do realize by not clearly stating your positions on your actual posts, you force US to go back and verify all of the **** you post. You sometimes post like 10 times in a row and then 2 pages later just throw out:

"Gobbledygook. Vote a player" Sadly this makes too much sense to compare to what you give to us.

Now you put me "higher" on your list for asking you to clarify? [btw I don't give a ***'* *** that I'm on your list.]

All I am saying is what everyone is feeling right now. IMO.

He "spake".

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2 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Why? Why must you be so **** cryptic?

All I am saying is what everyone is feeling right now. IMO.

Would it console you slightly if I told you that I nearly apologised in advance for my content last night? I know it's not your thing, but I'm not broadcasting my exact position to scum.

also mr medium skill set. Scroll riiight the way back and see what I said about players who lurk or seek to prejudice me.

everyone has a vote as far as I know.

1 hour ago, ovinomanc3r said:

@Rocmistro

1a. You are voting Vis.

2. You think he is likely third aligned.

3. You shared your win condition.

4. You said and Vis confirmed that the roles is not great alone.

1b. But you still voted him.

Help me please. The role only worth it if there are several as long as I understand it but I suppose that being in different teams is close to have just one so why you consider Vis a threat to the town?

1. was....changed it. see 2 posts ago.

2. I did, yes, and I'm still suspicious of it.

3. Correct.

4. Well, no, not exactly. I think what I specifically said was the role is not very powerful. I didn't make any mention of it's power/synergy in combo with other roles.

5. Yes, and I thought I had made my reasoning known. I'll repeat it again. It was 2 fold:

- a. He did not come to my defense as fully as I thought he could have on D1 when I had heat on me, given that he knew my role, and, if he was town, could have been more helpful in saving me.

- b. I didn't think it was likely that there would be 2 of the exact same role in the same faction.

Now I fully admit I could be wrong on either of those 2 things. But at least they are reasons.

5 minutes ago, Rocmistro said:

So a few things:

1. I don't want to be part of the triumvirate...whatever that means. I said before I'm too inexperienced to "lead" the town. That wasn't false humility. So you don't need to worry about not having faith in the triumvirate, because I'M NOT IN the triumvirate.

2. I'm growing less and less sure of myself on Visovics. In fact, I'll put it out there: ##unvote Visovics His announcing of his name SG-1983 matches mine (SG-1984), and now he's declared it publically (as I have). It seems townie to do that. If your town, then sorry bro, made a mistake.

3. Truthi. Ah, Truth. I still don't think truthi is town. But I also don't think he's scum. If his ability is one shot, is there a point to lynching him? If he IS third party, lynching him doesn't really do a lot of good except to make Scum's job easier to decide who to whack at night. If we just leave it open for speculation, it might make their job a little tougher. Those of us who don't buy into his reasoning can always just ignore his lynch proposals.

4. That leads me to.... Caldias and Ovi. Can't put my finger on it, but my gut is pointing me at them right now. The scum thing to do seems to be to shark-up when they smell blood. And there was definitely blood on me Day 1. Both of these guys were on me, then switched gears once the heat let up and were happy to go on to GNips. I'm also suspicious of Norell for same reasons as Visovics...assuming I've completely cleared Viso. And Impcaptain is bringing heat on Mad...who, in my opinion, next to myself is the MOST town. Then there's Moodswing, who is suspicious as both Mad and Ninja have said.

Ugh. This is enough to make you nuts.

I'm backing Mad

##vote moodswing5537

I was against Ghost's wagon.

5 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Good speech. The captaincy suits you. I will need men like you in the future.

Anyway, Mood is in my list so...

## unvote TheToad

Even when lyncjing him would give us info about flavour value.

## vote Mood

@moodswing5537, what do you think about spending more money on clones production?

Okay, yesterday was the least I looked at these posts. I had a carpentry project I was working on, then hosted a get together at my house.

I also looked at the winding path that is pod and figured out that he has contributed absolutely zero town-beneficial information in his posts. None.

I don't get the tribunal. The role sharing across factions has been the biggest monkey wrench since wool-gate, which anytime a distraction happens we stop being logical and start name calling.

And I don't mean being rude to each other. I mean giving your flavor names. I've said it before, I am not giving my name or anymore of my flavor to prevent a scum alpha strike. Look what it did for toad. The only thing that is interesting about it is who hasn't answered at all.....

##vote podracer

For the reasons I stated earlier.

Oh, and I don't care if your committee builds more clones or not.

1 minute ago, PodRacer said:

Would it console you slightly if I told you that I nearly apologised in advance for my content last night? I know it's not your thing, but I'm not broadcasting my exact position to scum.

also mr medium skill set. Scroll riiight the way back and see what I said about players who lurk or seek to prejudice me.

everyone has a vote as far as I know.

I am being serious here Pod, I do not understand you. Is it a language thing? I don't think it is because you are too good at it when you want to be.

"Would it console you slightly if I told you that I nearly apologised in advance for my content last night?" OMG a coherent sentence.

"I know it's not your thing, but I'm not broadcasting my exact position to scum." Another coherent, albeit a little cryptic sentence. I'm not asking you to do anything other than give your reasons for voting. That is a town play.

"also mr medium skill set. Scroll riiight the way back and see what I said about players who lurk or seek to prejudice me." Is this a shot at me? Am I "Mr. Medium skill set?" If so, your being quite the jerk here, and I'll go ahead and bow out. I'm really tired of playing the game with someone that is difficult to understand and also buillies others.

"everyone has a vote as far as I know." We all know this.

Fair warning ninja, my sixth vote is at the tip of my fingers

1 minute ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

"also mr medium skill set. Scroll riiight the way back and see what I said about players who lurk or seek to prejudice me." Is this a shot at me? Am I "Mr. Medium skill set?" If so, your being quite the jerk here, and I'll go ahead and bow out. I'm really tired of playing the game with someone that is difficult to understand and also bullies others

META question here: Answer just this question for me.

I'm ready to page JJ to take me outta this.

It's a personality clash, simple as.

i simply referenced something I had already said to you at the start of the game that sailed over you first time, but now apparently stings.

i didn't start the game thinking 'I'm gonna troll ninj relentlessly ' no

15 minutes ago, Rocmistro said:

So a few things:

1. I don't want to be part of the triumvirate...whatever that means. I said before I'm too inexperienced to "lead" the town. That wasn't false humility. So you don't need to worry about not having faith in the triumvirate, because I'M NOT IN the triumvirate.

2. I'm growing less and less sure of myself on Visovics. In fact, I'll put it out there: ##unvote Visovics His announcing of his name SG-1983 matches mine (SG-1984), and now he's declared it publically (as I have). It seems townie to do that. If your town, then sorry bro, made a mistake.

3. Truthi. Ah, Truth. I still don't think truthi is town. But I also don't think he's scum. If his ability is one shot, is there a point to lynching him? If he IS third party, lynching him doesn't really do a lot of good except to make Scum's job easier to decide who to whack at night. If we just leave it open for speculation, it might make their job a little tougher. Those of us who don't buy into his reasoning can always just ignore his lynch proposals.

4. That leads me to.... Caldias and Ovi. Can't put my finger on it, but my gut is pointing me at them right now. The scum thing to do seems to be to shark-up when they smell blood. And there was definitely blood on me Day 1. Both of these guys were on me, then switched gears once the heat let up and were happy to go on to GNips. I'm also suspicious of Norell for same reasons as Visovics...assuming I've completely cleared Viso. And Impcaptain is bringing heat on Mad...who, in my opinion, next to myself is the MOST town. Then there's Moodswing, who is suspicious as both Mad and Ninja have said.

Ugh. This is enough to make you nuts.

I'm backing Mad

##vote moodswing5537

I would also like to point out that I was one of the first ones to UNVOTE you once you provided evidence of yourself being town that wasn't just accusing everyone of wanting to wear Truthiness' letter jacket. My vote was placed to apply pressure, and it worked, and look at that, something came of it.

Just woke up and am rereading stuff. Skimmed already, looks like some are against Moodswing.

11 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

Fair warning ninja, my sixth vote is at the tip of my fingers

@CaribbeanNinja I'm pretty sure he doesn't understand what is your problem....

13 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

Damnit ******* subway connection ate my post.

I'm concerned about Moodswing and Impcap. Moodswing had been crazy quiet, and that jives with how he played when we were scum together. He also had a vote on Gnips but whatever, more than half the game had a vote on nips.

Impcap concerns me because he has called for mass claim, and took both barrels of Nips votezookas in the mouth. Maybe Nip just had a bad read on him? Broba, I believe you also had a vote on Impcap, so whats the good word?

Pod- I feel like I'm pretty demonstrably town.

Just catching up...

Votezookas.....ROFL

Sorry. Back to reading posts....

19 minutes ago, moodswing5537 said:

Okay, yesterday was the least I looked at these posts. I had a carpentry project I was working on, then hosted a get together at my house.

On 26/8/2017 at 0:45 AM, moodswing5537 said:

THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING!

##vote @GhostofNobodyInParticular

I don't like him not being able to claim/defend either though, but are we gonna give free passes based on that? is it fare to all playing? Can I never vote Norell, or he can't vote me, because I can guarantee we will never be awake at the same time? Sorry, /End Rant

Ghost would call it justice. And he was town. :D