24 minutes ago, ImperialCaptain2017 said:

If anyone feels like claiming, it would be real helpful right now.

Whoa there ImpC. This is usually a real scum move (calling for claims). I'm in agreement with Mads on this. My gut tells me this is just a bad town play, but it could also be an inexperienced scum move...

Im also super curious about your list there. I'm currently most suspicious of Mood and Roc (and it seems you are of Roc) but you have them deep in your list.

What gives? Especially with the Roc there?

Man I have pieces but cannot put them together.

I would like a bit more info but is hard to get and preventing scum from getting to much at the same time.

Truth. He did what he said. It seemed townie and he likely is. However his role could be scummy depending on the setup. Let's say several Vigilantes, Serial Killers or Cops. But as I said, not likely.

Madaghmire. He confirmed Roc and Vis as the same role. Roc also confirmed Mad. We have interesting interaction here. I think I know what Mad is even when I am not sure about all the details (some roles have variations). I am not completely sold on a whole townie team there. If Mad is what I think his alignment will force others. I mean, if he is town, there is no reason for Vis and Roc to be both town too and viceversa. I could be wrong but I don't see the point on being all in the dame team.

Not able to say too much right now.

So I didn't vote on Roc for obvious reason when he was arguing back. On the Nippy case, I had no better read on anyone else, and out of all the players, he chose the guy that had already announced himself out till the end of the day, and then he says that voting on people that are not on is bad as he announces himself out, to me that looked like trying to save himself from votes, so I felt he was the best lead in the day. This is how I see the situation:

Toad- General town vibe from him, didn't simply jump on the ghost train, he already had his suspicions

Moodswing - No good read on him, seems to have tried to play Cninja's style, the one style that we have said has completely blundered town as scum

Cninja - playing as always, not much of him in D1, hope to get something from you today

Caldias- Seemed quite puzzled on D1, he would know playing the own card he ruined of the noob, seems legitimately confused

Ovi- Was silent at the beginning, had the whole "what era are we" case, I'm not willing to lynch another future figure of the rebellion for now, and unless he pre-emptively talked to moodswing, the whole height thing is his style of breadcrumb

Mad- No one counter-claimed, I don't think his role could be scum, unless JJ has a twisted evil mind. I can vouch for him as he can vouch that me and Roc share a role in common.

Truth- He's Mas Amedda, alright, don't think his ability is anti-town, trusting for now

6 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Mad- No one counter-claimed, I don't think his role could be scum, unless JJ has a twisted evil mind. I can vouch for him as he can vouch that me and Roc share a role in common.

What if you and Roc share a role but not an alignment?

50 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Early claims just make it easier for scum to pick their targets. More later

42 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Whoa there ImpC. This is usually a real scum move (calling for claims). I'm in agreement with Mads on this. My gut tells me this is just a bad town play, but it could also be an inexperienced scum move...

Fair enough. My objective was to make sure that we wouldn't end up lynching another town power role, but Madaghmire has a point that it will just direct the scum to their targets.

The other thing is that I didn't want to start a vote train for Moodswing or Rocmistro if one of them had a valid alibi and was waiting to call it.

6 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

What if you and Roc share a role but not an alignment?

I think it would actually be more likely to be two of the same role than to be different alignments

47 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Im also super curious about your list there. I'm currently most suspicious of Mood and Roc (and it seems you are of Roc) but you have them deep in your list.

What gives? Especially with the Roc there?

After what happened yesterday with Roc, Visovics, and Madaghmire, I'm reserving judgement on him for now.

Moodswing, though..still a possibility.

I'll check back later after work.

47 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Whoa there ImpC. This is usually a real scum move (calling for claims). I'm in agreement with Mads on this. My gut tells me this is just a bad town play, but it could also be an inexperienced scum move...

Im also super curious about your list there. I'm currently most suspicious of Mood and Roc (and it seems you are of Roc) but you have them deep in your list.

What gives? Especially with the Roc there?

I'd like to know how I got on your radar. Please point out to me how I have acted like scum?

Honestly, anyone who is suspicious of me please let me know how I can convince you I'm town, short of full claim.

5 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:

I still have problems with your logic. If both are the same role, that role is not powerful and you suspect that Vis is scum where was the point to not claiming? The scum already knew your role. Just the town remained in darkness.

Ovi, I'm not saying that Vis is scum. (and if you look back you'll see I've said that a couple times.) I'm just saying I suspect he's not town aligned. (ie, 3rd party).

13 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Moodswing - No good read on him, seems to have tried to play Cninja's style, the one style that we have said has completely blundered town as scum

Cninja - playing as always, not much of him in D1, hope to get something from you today

First: The fact that you are comparing me to Mood is offensive I've known Mood and have been a friend to Mood for a long time...I sir, am no Moodswing...

Second: I didn't contribute? Go check Day one again and filter out all of the **** posts. You'll see that I definitely was there as always. I was just plain wrong about MM (GNips) In my defense, he definitely played the weirdest D1. (I still think he did.) And I voted on him first and kept my vote there.

If we are going down the "look at the eight people that voted GNiPs" road, I move that we really think about it. First, who was in on both of the band wagons? (Roc and Gnips) And who was in the "scum-slot" of the votes?

I'm just telling that I'm here and have not the slightest idea who could be scum. I have a very hectic 36 hours behind me, I'll try to catch up ASAP.

I will be gone all day at a Store Championship all day today, I'll update the vote tally this evening.

3 minutes ago, Rocmistro said:

Ovi, I'm not saying that Vis is scum. (and if you look back you'll see I've said that a couple times.) I'm just saying I suspect he's not town aligned. (ie, 3rd party).

Then I would like that you all illustrate me what kind of role could be town and 3rd party at the same time, be self aware about the other and have some kid of influencer over them.

Yep, no more noob cards from me. I get the game enough to hang, but definitely don't have the familiarity of roles and meta that others have. I also don't think mass claiming is a great idea right now. Scum already knows who the non-scum are, so claiming would just give potential targets to focus on.

The reason I backed off Roc I gave, but to reiterate his post about his win condition seemed to be phrased correctly, and I'm not sure a new player would've been able to use those exact words (although he could've gotten it from another game). It wasn't much, but enough to cast doubt. GNiP's vote-n-scoot did seem odd, and it was enough for me to think he would be a better target. Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't, but I did notice one thing. Since we know GNiPs was a double voter, is it safe to guess the "anonymous" vote was his? So he voted for Imp Captain twice. His stated reason wasn't great, and if he was the 2nd voter he pretended not to know, but I might dig back and see if there's any reason suspicion of Imp Captain.

Another question: Might have missed this, but is Truthiness' ability a one shot, or multi use? Would it be in our best interest to, if it is multi use, try and keep the night from the scum? No night kills sounds great, but maybe some of us have a good night action that is worth using.

I am a bit lost.

I had an idea before I went to sleep. Now I am not sure. There are things that fits and things that don't.

And I don't play like cninja. I play like me, good or bad, it's all me.

5 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

First: The fact that you are comparing me to Mood is offensive I've known Mood and have been a friend to Mood for a long time...I sir, am no Moodswing...

Second: I didn't contribute? Go check Day one again and filter out all of the **** posts. You'll see that I definitely was there as always. I was just plain wrong about MM (GNips) In my defense, he definitely played the weirdest D1. (I still think he did.) And I voted on him first and kept my vote there.

If we are going down the "look at the eight people that voted GNiPs" road, I move that we really think about it. First, who was in on both of the band wagons? (Roc and Gnips) And who was in the "scum-slot" of the votes?

Why do I always miss your posts in the re-reads? Seriously, it happens every single time I'm doing a list of thoughts on players O.o

1 minute ago, moodswing5537 said:

I'd like to know how I got on your radar. Please point out to me how I have acted like scum?

Honestly, anyone who is suspicious of me please let me know how I can convince you I'm town, short of full claim.

We only have a little to go on in this extended D1 (or are we D2 now? ) I'm factoring in the placement of the votes, and yours is curious that is all.

I'm also VERY aware about the pitfalls about going after the eight that worked towards the vote (as Ovinomanc3r pointed out) There were 5 others that didn't vote GNiPs that could have just been content with us hammering him.

I'll go ahead and say that Pod is on my radar for his wishy-washy voting. Especially on Truth, who I'm thinking is like 95% town (5% chance of him playing INCREDIBLY ballsy scum.)

12 minutes ago, Visovics said:

I think it would actually be more likely to be two of the same role than to be different alignments

What are you telling me here. You are not sure about having the same role?

I didn't understand it.

1 minute ago, moodswing5537 said:

And I don't play like cninja. I play like me, good or bad, it's all me.

It was more because you took that "I'm observing, carry on while on ponder on the happenings" stance, remembered me of Cninj's play style

2 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

We only have a little to go on in this extended D1 (or are we D2 now? ) I'm factoring in the placement of the votes, and yours is curious that is all.

I'm also VERY aware about the pitfalls about going after the eight that worked towards the vote (as Ovinomanc3r pointed out) There were 5 others that didn't vote GNiPs that could have just been content with us hammering him.

I'll go ahead and say that Pod is on my radar for his wishy-washy voting. Especially on Truth, who I'm thinking is like 95% town (5% chance of him playing INCREDIBLY ballsy scum.)

I'll agree. It all looked fishy. D1 was crazy.

3 minutes ago, Caldias said:

Another question: Might have missed this, but is Truthiness' ability a one shot, or multi use? Would it be in our best interest to, if it is multi use, try and keep the night from the scum? No night kills sounds great, but maybe some of us have a good night action that is worth using.

I remember him saying it being a one time use, so after that we WILL have nights

1 minute ago, Visovics said:

It was more because you took that "I'm observing, carry on while on ponder on the happenings" stance, remembered me of Cninj's play style

I can see that. I'll try to observe and be more expressive where I can. That way I'm still contributing.

4 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

What are you telling me here. You are not sure about having the same role?

I didn't understand it.

Badly worded, sorry, I am sure we have the same role.

I had meant relating to Roc's earlier posts, about how he thought it would be unlikely to have 2 of the same role in a game of the same alignment. I think that it's much more likely to have two of the exact same role (including the same alignment) than to have a different alignment and be told about each other. The only possible scenario where I see this working as 3rd party is in Biggs' 3rd party fest, and would be too much of a low move to give that role to a town and a scum and allow them to know each other.