2 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:Did you miss what I said when I unvoted you?
Ok I see it.
So then, why/how are you aware and why did you assume we are both town?
[MAFIA] The Wheels of Democracy ***GAME OVER***
9 minutes ago, Rocmistro said:I dunno. You guys were all the fanboi's of Truthi's awesome skillz.
So do we lynch him now since Gnips flipped Town?
I still have my eye on Visovics, so nothing has changed for me there and he was on the GNips lynch train.
##Vote Visovics
You got a short memory all right there, Roc. You were my vote away from getting chunked off the senate roof, so you might want to work with us instead of poking with sticks....just some advice. Take it or leave it.
Alright, so Caribbean Ninja, TheToad, Visovics, Moodswing, Caldias, Ovinomanc3r, Madaghmire, and myself are suspect. Going to bed soon, so I'll engage in the morning.
Same here, I better go to bed before my blood pressure gets worse.
1 minute ago, moodswing5537 said:Same here, I better go to bed before my blood pressure gets worse.
Your avatar changed, this a battle you already lost my friend.
4 minutes ago, Rocmistro said:Ok I see it.
So then, why/how are you aware and why did you assume we are both town?
My own role ties into two others which would be the exact same. Its possible that you wouldnt both be town, but imo, highly unlikely.
4 minutes ago, moodswing5537 said:You got a short memory all right there, Roc. You were my vote away from getting chunked off the senate roof, so you might want to work with us instead of poking with sticks....just some advice. Take it or leave it.
Who's "us"? Your scum team? I think a proper reading of the last few pages shows I have the most defensible town claim. So, no, not interested in your advice or your offer. In my opinion, Mad is now the only one in the clear, and I can vouch for him based on my PM information.
16 minutes ago, TheToad said:And now what do we do?
Avoid what is strong
Attack what is weak
18 minutes ago, moodswing5537 said:Same here, I better go to bed before my blood pressure gets worse.
Why is your blood pressure up/bad/getting worse?
17 minutes ago, Rocmistro said:Who's "us"? Your scum team? I think a proper reading of the last few pages shows I have the most defensible town claim. So, no, not interested in your advice or your offer. In my opinion, Mad is now the only one in the clear, and I can vouch for him based on my PM information.
K now I'm really confused, I thought you and Vis were connected... now your saying it's Mad?
4 minutes ago, TheToad said:K now I'm really confused, I thought you and Vis were connected... now your saying it's Mad?
He and vis have the same role, I have a different role that interacts with theirs.
Vis and I share the same roles. This is confirmed by both me and Vis. I received no information about his alignment.
I think, however, that he is at least "not town aligned"; perhaps he is scum, and perhaps he is 3rd party. I'm not sure.
I'm speculating that because it doesn't seem likely to me, based on what I read on Mafia Wikis and forums that 2 players would get the same role in the same faction. I also don't think he did a particularly noteworthy job getting the heat off me when the heat was on me. In my opinion, he did just the bare minimum for me not oust him...I'm very suspicious of that. Taken in conjunction with the role redundancy, I'm skeptical that he's town.
That is my 'evidence'; you have to judge for yourself what you think of it.
Mad's claim checks out with what I told about how our role is supposed to receive instruction, which is why I'm vouching for him, at least for now.
##vote moodswing
wait till whole clumps of hair start falling out in the shower then get back to us =)
Lack of transparency.
Just now, Rocmistro said:...
Mad's claim checks out with what I was told about how our role is supposed to receive instruction, which is why I'm vouching for him, at least for now.
fixed (in bold) because...,no editing.
3 alligned votes in a seven man lynch, id check my math too
@Madaghmire what's your take on Roc's accusation on Vis?
Just got a chance to check this again...wow, so Truthi is Mas Amedda and you all lynched Mon Mothma. So I guess that means there will be no Rebels now 
Mildly annoyed with @Truthiness for cancelling the night cycle. It would have been nice to see what happened...oh well. At least this means more time to determine who the scum are.
Anyway...I'm going to go to bed and check back in the morning. Right now I'm leaning toward Moodswing or Rocmistro as scummy, but nothing sure. See you in a few hours, Senators.
Juuust wrapped up my game. Okay, wow. Bummed we lost Mothma, but, there is still hope, and budget committees are built on hope. I know some have gone off to bed so might not get any answers until the AM, but it seems Roc and Vis have shared roles, and know that somehow those roles interact with Mad. The three of them COULD be scum I guess, but feels unlikely to me as there has been confirmed 0 day chat. I don't think we should start claiming things just yet, especially with no night actions to go off of, but @Madaghmire does your role's interaction with their roles make you think that they might be town?
Alright, unless someone counter-claims mad, I believe he is town, the amount of control he has would be too powerful for scum.
Roc, I was avoiding as much as I could to draw a clear connection between us, because this kind of stuff is basically signing a death warrant, because scum wants us to have suspicions on as many players as possible, and being able to confirm other players hurts the scum play, so we'd be prime targets for the night and that could cause me and mad to believe in a person that could've well been scum because of your death ( or my death, and confuses you and mad)
Well fudge. I guess we pick up the pieces.
I'll get moving on some analysis in the morning.
Yeah sleep for me too. Appears like day 2 will be a continuation of 1 as far as cryptic claims and accusations go.
Lets hope morning finds us with something to go on!
5 hours ago, Rocmistro said:I dunno. You guys were all the fanboi's of Truthi's awesome skillz.
So do we lynch him now since Gnips flipped Town?
I still have my eye on Visovics, so nothing has changed for me there and he was on the GNips lynch train.
##Vote Visovics
I still have problems with your logic. If both are the same role, that role is not powerful and you suspect that Vis is scum where was the point to not claiming? The scum already knew your role. Just the town remained in darkness.
5 hours ago, Truthiness said:Alright, so Caribbean Ninja, TheToad, Visovics, Moodswing, Caldias, Ovinomanc3r, Madaghmire, and myself are suspect. Going to bed soon, so I'll engage in the morning.
I warned about that. I felt forced to vote on Ghost or risk the lynch. I couldn't change the vote and I missed all the Roc-Vis stuff cause I was asleep. And that would have meant to risk the lynch amyway.
3 hours ago, ovinomanc3r said:I still have problems with your logic. If both are the same role, that role is not powerful and you suspect that Vis is scum where was the point to not claiming? The scum already knew your role. Just the town remained in darkness.
I warned about that. I felt forced to vote on Ghost or risk the lynch. I couldn't change the vote and I missed all the Roc-Vis stuff cause I was asleep. And that would have meant to risk the lynch amyway.
Along these same lines, I'll also point out I made it known why I wasn't voting roc. Nips was the next train, and honestly the only chance we had at a lynch due to time and available votes. It was the wrong choice, and with 13 other targets on day 1, that's gonna happen.
Truthi's role made no sense for a scum to have, since they need night action to win (well, it makes it easier. If jj expects scum to win on day lynchs and no day talk, he's got some deep seeded anger issues vs. Scum.....) so I think he's town.
I'm going over the clues that lie in the votes. There are answers there.
Pod, I have no idea what you mean about transparency. What did I hide in my decision making? Honestly, if I lay more bread crumbs, I might as well drop the whole sandwich.
Good morning Senators,
So I was thinking about what happened on D1, and trying to get a handle on the voting patterns.
Here's the D1 votes:
12 hours ago, JJs Juggernaut said:
- @TheToad (0)
Podracer- @BrobaFett
- @CaribbeanNinja
- @Madaghmire
- @Visovics (1)
Pod Racer,Rocmistro- @Rocmistro (3)
Podracer,Madaghmire, Norell,Caldias,Ovinomanc3r, ImperialCaptain2017, Podracer- @moodswing5537
- @GhostofNobodyInParticular (8)
Madaghmire, Caribbean Ninja, TheToad, Visovics, Moodswing, Caldias, Ovinomanc3r, Madaghmire, Truthiness- @ovinomanc3r
- @Caldias
- @Norell
- @ImperialCaptain2017 (3)
Norell, Anonymous, BrobaFett, GNiPs- @PodRacer (0)
Visovics,Truthiness,ImperialCaptain2017- @Truthiness (0)
Rocmistro
The three vote groups were basically:
Rocmistro on Visovics,
Norell, Me, and Pod on Rocmistro,
CNinja, Toad, Visovics, Moodswing, Caldias, Ovi, Madaghmire, and Truthiness on GNiPs,
GNiPs, his extra vote, and BrobaFett on me.
Now, here's where we stand as I see it in terms of who has yet to hint or claim (i.e. who is most suspicious). If you're not on the list, I think you have an alibi.
TheToad, BrobaFett, CNinja, Madaghmire, Visovics, Rocmistro, Moodswing, Caldias, PodRacer.
Moodswing is a bit of a wild card here. I'm really not sure what he's up to.
Not sure about the Visovics/Rocmistro thing. Leaning toward Visovics as town right now, still suspicious of Rocmistro. If they have the same role, what is it? Are they roleblockers maybe? Still up in the air as far as I'm concerned.
If anyone feels like claiming, it would be real helpful right now.
20 minutes ago, ImperialCaptain2017 said:Good morning Senators,
So I was thinking about what happened on D1, and trying to get a handle on the voting patterns.
Here's the D1 votes:
The three vote groups were basically:
Rocmistro on Visovics,
Norell, Me, and Pod on Rocmistro,
CNinja, Toad, Visovics, Moodswing, Caldias, Ovi, Madaghmire, and Truthiness on GNiPs,
GNiPs, his extra vote, and BrobaFett on me.
Now, here's where we stand as I see it in terms of who has yet to hint or claim (i.e. who is most suspicious). If you're not on the list, I think you have an alibi.
TheToad, BrobaFett, CNinja, Madaghmire, Visovics, Rocmistro, Moodswing, Caldias, PodRacer.
Moodswing is a bit of a wild card here. I'm really not sure what he's up to.
Not sure about the Visovics/Rocmistro thing. Leaning toward Visovics as town right now, still suspicious of Rocmistro. If they have the same role, what is it? Are they roleblockers maybe? Still up in the air as far as I'm concerned.
If anyone feels like claiming, it would be real helpful right now.
Early claims just make it easier for scum to pick their targets. More later