[MAFIA] The Wheels of Democracy ***GAME OVER***

By JJs Juggernaut, in Star Wars: Armada Off-Topic

Holy crap.

I keep quiet; draw attention/guilty

Speak up with some kind of idea; draw attention/guilty.

Only way to stay alive is to join in on the collective-speculative circle-jerk you guys like to participate in.

Hammer me, then, you ********. Gives me more time to work on my Raddus list.

https://youtu.be/afFu1avJeyc?t=61

Just now, Rocmistro said:

Holy crap.

I keep quiet; draw attention/guilty

Speak up with some kind of idea; draw attention/guilty.

Only way to stay alive is to join in on the collective-speculative circle-jerk you guys like to participate in.

Hammer me, then, you ********. Gives me more time to work on my Raddus list.

https://youtu.be/afFu1avJeyc?t=61

The key is that when you speak up, you should not say scummy things.

Pod seems to be harmless, even though I'm itching to lynch him. As I have no better guess yet...

## unvote

## vote Rocmistro

And I'm logging off for tonight.

42 minutes ago, Visovics said:

I'd actually prefer to see how honest truth is by letting him do that thing he asked to be that last one to put a vote down where the majority stands, so unless he is some crazy scum that places a bomb and kill everyone in the bandwagon, I'd let him do his thing at the end of the day and if he doesn't do/ lied to us we lynch him tomorrow

This is why I'm voting for the person I'm voting for. Truthiness' claim means he's either gonna be cleared or condemned come Day 2, so there's no good reason to lynch him today.

##vote Rocmistro

Sorry man, pushing to vote for Truth makes no sense, and no one is more suspicious than you at the moment. Not much to go on, but it's not nothing, either.

I agree with Mad. Whatever Truth is going on is not anti-town even when it could be not completely pro-town. But it is closer to the last. Probably 3rd aligned but I don't care if he runs out of Megamind memes.

I suggest everybody to vote. At least this way we will be sure there is a double voter. Or we will know who the **** is the anonimous. Not a big piece of info but something. The last we need is votes with no reasoning behind.

## vote rocmistro

I didn't see Truth pushing hard anyone. He doesn't need it actually. Even when I think his question about my "slip" was bold, like he was looking for something else. I have a bad feeling about Norell and Vis also but it is completely gut. Your reading on Truth seems completely out to me.

@Rocmistro if you have a claim this is the time to do it

11 minutes ago, Norell said:

Pod seems to be harmless, even though I'm itching to lynch him. As I have no better guess yet...

Fair enough. I'll wait on Pod and vote for the mysterious one rather than the loud one. For now, anyway.

##unvote PodRacer

##vote Rocmistro

Unless he comes up with a really concvincing claim, that is.

Just now, Visovics said:

@Rocmistro if you have a claim this is the time to do it

WTF??? are you guys kidding me?

So Caldias, Norell, Mad, Impcap, and Pod all voting me because I said something "Scummy"? That's 5 people, which is more than the estimated scum faction, assuming they are all going to try to redirect on to me, which is probably unlikely. So that means there's something else at play here...and I think...

...yeah...I'm calling bullcrap. This has nothing to do with "sensing" scummy. This has to do with glomming on to whacking the FnG. This is meta-play and, at best, unconscious bias. I'm just not interested in being part of your mafia clique, so yeah. Vote me. And don't give me any crap about "Well you acted like a newbie and brought heat down on yourself! Everyone in here has been making accusations and no one garnered 5 votes in 20 minutes.

##unvote Truthiness

##vote Rocmistro

Just now, Rocmistro said:

WTF??? are you guys kidding me?

So Caldias, Norell, Mad, Impcap, and Pod all voting me because I said something "Scummy"? That's 5 people, which is more than the estimated scum faction, assuming they are all going to try to redirect on to me, which is probably unlikely. So that means there's something else at play here...and I think...

...yeah...I'm calling bullcrap. This has nothing to do with "sensing" scummy. This has to do with glomming on to whacking the FnG. This is meta-play and, at best, unconscious bias. I'm just not interested in being part of your mafia clique, so yeah. Vote me. And don't give me any crap about "Well you acted like a newbie and brought heat down on yourself! Everyone in here has been making accusations and no one garnered 5 votes in 20 minutes.

##unvote Truthiness

##vote Rocmistro

Voting yourself actually doesn't count, also, if you have a claim, now is the perfect time

1 minute ago, Rocmistro said:

WTF??? are you guys kidding me?

So Caldias, Norell, Mad, Impcap, and Pod all voting me because I said something "Scummy"? That's 5 people, which is more than the estimated scum faction, assuming they are all going to try to redirect on to me, which is probably unlikely. So that means there's something else at play here...and I think...

...yeah...I'm calling bullcrap. This has nothing to do with "sensing" scummy. This has to do with glomming on to whacking the FnG. This is meta-play and, at best, unconscious bias. I'm just not interested in being part of your mafia clique, so yeah. Vote me. And don't give me any crap about "Well you acted like a newbie and brought heat down on yourself! Everyone in here has been making accusations and no one garnered 5 votes in 20 minutes.

##unvote Truthiness

##vote Rocmistro

If you flip town then I'm very sorry.

5 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

If you flip town then I'm very sorry.

Me too, but I don't think he will.

Also, if it were meta play pod would be hanging

3 minutes ago, Rocmistro said:

WTF??? are you guys kidding me?

So Caldias, Norell, Mad, Impcap, and Pod all voting me because I said something "Scummy"? That's 5 people, which is more than the estimated scum faction, assuming they are all going to try to redirect on to me, which is probably unlikely. So that means there's something else at play here...and I think...

...yeah...I'm calling bullcrap. This has nothing to do with "sensing" scummy. This has to do with glomming on to whacking the FnG. This is meta-play and, at best, unconscious bias. I'm just not interested in being part of your mafia clique, so yeah. Vote me. And don't give me any crap about "Well you acted like a newbie and brought heat down on yourself! Everyone in here has been making accusations and no one garnered 5 votes in 20 minutes.

##unvote Truthiness

##vote Rocmistro

I didn't understand anything. What is the meta reason?

Truth asked us for letting him put the last vote. Actually he didn't need to ask. All he has to do is wait until deadline -1" and vote. Weird? Of course but he is going to vote whoever had the majority so nothing against the majority, he would force the lynching (that is quite pro-town) or would get lynched at d2

Where is the point to go against him?

You can claim or try to give a better reason than "you all suck, fools".

1 minute ago, Madaghmire said:

Also, if it were meta play pod would be hanging

Ran out of likes, but agree

Holy cow! I just got caught up. An anonymous vote, a rapid turn around on Roc, and his acting desperate.

Sheesh. I can understand the suspicions on Roc, but is it really enough to nearly turbo-lynch him? I guess the only reason this is happening is because we're almost done with Day 1 and not much has happened? At first, I thought the focus on him odd. However, his defense is kinda a cop out, in a sense, as it's a bit misguided and avoids any argument that would save him.

I'll cast my vote before I go to bed, but right now I am, unfortunately for Roc, leaning his way, due to the rather puzzling defense strategy he chose.

We can't turbo lynch. Turbo lunching is not a thing.

@Rocmistro Happy to change my vote if you can give a reason why I should besides declaring us all circle jerkering cliquey assholes. If you are new, then maybe you don't see why pushing for a vote against Truthiness makes no sense. Day 2 we find out if Truth is a liar or not, so it is best to eliminate someone else. Like I said, I'm not like rock solid against you, but that Truthiness vote pushed you into my 60% or so, and offering nothing other than accusing us of bias isn't really helping your case.

That said, if it does suddenly looks likely to turn into a turbolynch, I may unvote just to be careful.

1 minute ago, Caldias said:

That said, if it does suddenly looks likely to turn into a turbolynch, I may unvote just to be carefu

Turbo is impossible here, the game could go to 13 votes on a person (or 14 with that anonymous) and hammer only comes at wnd of the day

Just now, Visovics said:

Turbo is impossible here, the game could go to 13 votes on a person (or 14 with that anonymous) and hammer only comes at wnd of the day

Ah okay! Good to know, must've missed that. Haha, makes sense JJ would have that setup in the game he runs. How does that interact with Truth's ability? Does he "hammer" as in be the 8th vote, even though the hammer doesn't drop until later?

1 minute ago, Caldias said:

Ah okay! Good to know, must've missed that. Haha, makes sense JJ would have that setup in the game he runs. How does that interact with Truth's ability? Does he "hammer" as in be the 8th vote, even though the hammer doesn't drop until later?

Absolutely no idea, the only thing he asked was to be the last vote, so he said that no one hammered because he had to do it, I believe had also had no idea

2 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Holy cow! I just got caught up. An anonymous vote, a rapid turn around on Roc, and his acting desperate.

Sheesh. I can understand the suspicions on Roc, but is it really enough to nearly turbo-lynch him? I guess the only reason this is happening is because we're almost done with Day 1 and not much has happened? At first, I thought the focus on him odd. However, his defense is kinda a cop out, in a sense, as it's a bit misguided and avoids any argument that would save him.

I'll cast my vote before I go to bed, but right now I am, unfortunately for Roc, leaning his way, due to the rather puzzling defense strategy he chose.

It's not a defense strategy. It may have not been clear, but my last several comments have not been "playing" the game...

...and the reason I haven't is because I don't think I'm playing the same game as at least some of the people here.

The game I'm playing is "you win when all threats to the town are eliminated".

I suspect that the game at least some people are playing...at least a little bit...and at least subconsciously is "ingratiate myself with the established members of the mafia clique for social status and feel-goods and if I happen to be wrong and lose, oh well, because at least I'm still in the clique"

There is absoutely no reason to belieave anything Truthi said or did over me (WE GOTTA HAMMER SOMEONE DAY1 PEW PEW) other than that he appears to be the golden haired quarterback of the Mafia club. It's entirely possible he is what he says. It's also entirely possible, based on his experience in this game, that he's completely full of crap. The fact that half a dozen people seem to have rolled over for him before ANY ACTUAL FACTS have come into play tells me there is some brown nosing going on.

And I'm not interested in that.

So, no I'm not going to claim. Lynch me, watch me flip town, and then go ahead and tell yourselves "well, Roc played like a newbie, what were we supposed to do?"

Also, what is turbo-lynching?

Just now, Rocmistro said:

Also, what is turbo-lynching?

When several votes happen in a short space of time, not allowing the lynchee time to defend or claim, generally happens on JJ

2 minutes ago, Rocmistro said:

It's not a defense strategy. It may have not been clear, but my last several comments have not been "playing" the game...

...and the reason I haven't is because I don't think I'm playing the same game as at least some of the people here.

The game I'm playing is "you win when all threats to the town are eliminated".

I suspect that the game at least some people are playing...at least a little bit...and at least subconsciously is "ingratiate myself with the established members of the mafia clique for social status and feel-goods and if I happen to be wrong and lose, oh well, because at least I'm still in the clique"

There is absoutely no reason to belieave anything Truthi said or did over me (WE GOTTA HAMMER SOMEONE DAY1 PEW PEW) other than that he appears to be the golden haired quarterback of the Mafia club. It's entirely possible he is what he says. It's also entirely possible, based on his experience in this game, that he's completely full of crap. The fact that half a dozen people seem to have rolled over for him before ANY ACTUAL FACTS have come into play tells me there is some brown nosing going on.

And I'm not interested in that.

So, no I'm not going to claim. Lynch me, watch me flip town, and then go ahead and tell yourselves "well, Roc played like a newbie, what were we supposed to do?"

So you don't believe you have a role that is worth saving for the night?

Ok. As a reputable member of this chamber I will claim for him.

I am senator Jar Jar Binks. I am a self-aligned IDIOT. I win if I got lynched during the day.

Maybe?

The difference roc, is that if we do nothing an truth is in fact full of crap, we are going to know immediately upon flip and hang him in the morning. If he's not, we've verified he's not scum.

If you are full of crap, we need to hang you to find out. If you have something worth claiming, you should do so.

The idea that we are hanging you for anything beyond your play is frankly, offensive. Unless its just a gambit, in which case, good try.