At the risk of repeating what has already been said to death...

The game is unpainted, period. Nothing will change this fact at this point. FFG has made their decision, though you don't have to like it.

For what it's worth, I agree that it was the right decision. The Core Set comes with 33 miniatures and eight barricades for $89.95. That's a very fair price for the industry. If you asked FFG to sell you 33 prepainted figurines and you were willing to accept low-quality paint jobs, look at what WizKids charges for booster packs of its Icons of the Realm D&D Minis. 32 of their miniatures sold in a brick together cost $127.92, except that they're randomly assorted, so anyone selling then nonrandomly would hike the price up considerably, and the rules and miscellaneous game components are more on top of that.

For Legion minis with paint jobs done for you, just commission from a hard-working painter. It'll cost you about what it would have cost to buy prepainted minis from FFG in the first place, and it'll probably still look better.

On 8/18/2017 at 11:24 PM, Thormind said:

Pink with some red on the breather vent. Lady Vader

Don't forget purple pimp Vader, oscars Vader ( gold), and Darude sandstorm brown Vader!

On 8/19/2017 at 10:43 AM, Slugrage said:

Stormtrooper: Spray with white primer, paint blaster rifle black, hit up the figure with Citadel Nuln Oil, touch up white. Done. About 15 minutes total time (excluding drying)

Make dark troopers. Spray black along with Vader. Paint lightsaber blade red. Let dry. Optional paint silver dots on troopers eye pieces.

24 minutes ago, FlyingAnchors said:

Make dark troopers. Spray black along with Vader. Paint lightsaber blade red. Let dry. Optional paint silver dots on troopers eye pieces.

I was thinking about this as well, but what if they add Deathtroopers in the future?

1 minute ago, Alino said:

I was thinking about this as well, but what if they add Deathtroopers in the future?

Are the death troopers slightly taller than the standard trooper?

Just now, FlyingAnchors said:

Are the death troopers slightly taller than the standard trooper?

Maybe. I think what could be done is you could have deathtroopers have a few red plates (like a red left shoulder plate and a red right knee-plate)

I mean, it'd work really well if you were going for an Imperial Remnant Scheme too.

8 hours ago, FlyingAnchors said:

Make dark troopers. Spray black along with Vader. Paint lightsaber blade red. Let dry. Optional paint silver dots on troopers eye pieces.

Painting dark troopers to the same level is actually far harder than regular stormtroopers.

52 minutes ago, Slugrage said:

Painting dark troopers to the same level is actually far harder than regular stormtroopers.

No joke, is is totally true.

There seems to be a very big assumption that there will be 20 - 40 miniatures per side in each game. I am just wondering where people are getting this information. All that we have seen so far in the demos from GenCon are squads with less than 20 units per side.

Also, for those saying that x-wing has much less units per squad than legion, I present to you x-wing Epic format. 300 pt epic games are an FFG standard format but I have read some players go up to 800 pts. Anyways, with the 300 pt limit, a player can build lists with about 20 ships. I just quickly created a list with 20 ships that I think might be interesting to try out - http://xwing-builder.co.uk/view/766801/epic-legion-proof. Its possible to run 20+ ships but I don't think that would be enjoyable (at least for me). Moving all those dials and moving the ships would be a pain IMHO. But I have seen plenty of photos on the reddits about players flying massive fleets so there is at least a sub set of the player base that enjoys these massive games.

I am just making an assumption here, but I suspect FFG will have several play modes with Legion. I suspect a skirmish mode (like 100 pt x-wing). And I expect an Epic mode like 300pt x-wing. I could be totally wrong and there might just be 1 mode too. I personally don't like the 300pt x-wing format (too many ships, too much setup time). That is not to say I don't like Epic ships (b/c I do). So when I play 'epic', I play 150pt games. That is enough points to get an epic ship on the board and to have supporting ships (or just 1 boss Raider) but not too many ships.

I won't be purchasing Legion (like many other gamers in my x-wing group) as I am not interested in painting and assembling the models at this time. From my understanding, the models are not on the base and all require assembly. I also do not want to commission an artist to do the painting for me. I just want to let FFG know why I am not purchasing their product. I would purchase the product if they released pre-painted minis like x-wing. And yes, I know this has been said many times by many other people. I am not trying offer anything new but just to let FFG know there is a market.

I also do not appreciate players saying if a game is for me or not. You are not capable of making this decision for me. I am. I think the way the game was presented at GenCon is 'for me'. The only aspect of the game that isn't, is the painting and assembling. I am unwilling to go out of my way to commission artists to do the painting as well.

I would purchase their product if FFG sold pre-painted (high quality) models. I am willing to pay more money for FFG pre-painted as I do for x-wing (I own almost everything there). I am also not selfish enough to demand that FFG ONLY sells pre-paints. I think FFG could and should do both. Sell unpainted at a lower price (for the painters/hobbyist). And sell pre-painted for everyone else. That seems like a win/win scenario for FFG and the community. I really do not understand people who have a problem with FFG selling both unpainted/unassembled and pre-painted/assembled products.

How does pre-paints take away your joy of the game? Or rather, how does the joy of players purchasing pre-paints take away your joy of the hobby?

You can't seriously be bringing up epic play as a comparison for the amount of figures on the table X-wing vs Legion.

We can give a very accurate range of figures for a Legion game because we've seen the Core point cost and we've been made aware of the army composition rules. The demos at Gencon were less then 400 points per side, with the standard game being 800.

Yes Epic X-wing games can have 20+ ships on the table, but that isn't the standard format for X-wing. Nobody would say that's the format that X-wing is marketed for, it's just not accurate. So X-wing can get 20+ ships in epic play, what do you think the equivalent would be for Legion. 3 times the size the normal game? What up to a 100.

At least you, unlike so many others, acknowledging that painting would cost more. But if you're more then willing to pay that extra cost to FFG, why are you not willing to commission someone to do it?

FFG is not going to create competing products for sale, especially not a premium product that they'd have to price at sticker shock levels. That's how you get stuck with a large inventory of stuff that you sunk a lot of cost into and can't sell.

3 hours ago, Rexler Brath said:

There seems to be a very big assumption that there will be 20 - 40 miniatures per side in each game. I am just wondering where people are getting this information. All that we have seen so far in the demos from GenCon are squads with less than 20 units per side.

Also, for those saying that x-wing has much less units per squad than legion, I present to you x-wing Epic format. 300 pt epic games are an FFG standard format but I have read some players go up to 800 pts. Anyways, with the 300 pt limit, a player can build lists with about 20 ships. I just quickly created a list with 20 ships that I think might be interesting to try out - http://xwing-builder.co.uk/view/766801/epic-legion-proof. Its possible to run 20+ ships but I don't think that would be enjoyable (at least for me). Moving all those dials and moving the ships would be a pain IMHO. But I have seen plenty of photos on the reddits about players flying massive fleets so there is at least a sub set of the player base that enjoys these massive games.

I am just making an assumption here, but I suspect FFG will have several play modes with Legion. I suspect a skirmish mode (like 100 pt x-wing). And I expect an Epic mode like 300pt x-wing. I could be totally wrong and there might just be 1 mode too. I personally don't like the 300pt x-wing format (too many ships, too much setup time). That is not to say I don't like Epic ships (b/c I do). So when I play 'epic', I play 150pt games. That is enough points to get an epic ship on the board and to have supporting ships (or just 1 boss Raider) but not too many ships.

I won't be purchasing Legion (like many other gamers in my x-wing group) as I am not interested in painting and assembling the models at this time. From my understanding, the models are not on the base and all require assembly. I also do not want to commission an artist to do the painting for me. I just want to let FFG know why I am not purchasing their product. I would purchase the product if they released pre-painted minis like x-wing. And yes, I know this has been said many times by many other people. I am not trying offer anything new but just to let FFG know there is a market.

I also do not appreciate players saying if a game is for me or not. You are not capable of making this decision for me. I am. I think the way the game was presented at GenCon is 'for me'. The only aspect of the game that isn't, is the painting and assembling. I am unwilling to go out of my way to commission artists to do the painting as well.

I would purchase their product if FFG sold pre-painted (high quality) models. I am willing to pay more money for FFG pre-painted as I do for x-wing (I own almost everything there). I am also not selfish enough to demand that FFG ONLY sells pre-paints. I think FFG could and should do both. Sell unpainted at a lower price (for the painters/hobbyist). And sell pre-painted for everyone else. That seems like a win/win scenario for FFG and the community. I really do not understand people who have a problem with FFG selling both unpainted/unassembled and pre-painted/assembled products.

How does pre-paints take away your joy of the game? Or rather, how does the joy of players purchasing pre-paints take away your joy of the hobby?

Gencon squads are 15 or so minis using only the core set.

We know from listcrafting theory and the cards revealed the core set lists are ~400-450 points. Full size matches have been quoted as being 800.

You do the math. As for the epic comparison, a unit is 5-7 models per 70 points vs 3 for xwing.

1 hour ago, ScottieATF said:

You can't seriously be bringing up epic play as a comparison for the amount of figures on the table X-wing vs Legion.

Why not? Epic Play is a valid means of playing x-wing and is an Official FFG game mode. There are even non-official Epic tournaments. Just because 100pt 75min x-wing is the most popular game mode, doesn't mean we can't compare it to legion and other games.

1 hour ago, ScottieATF said:

The demos at Gencon were less then 400 points per side, with the standard game being 800.

Do you have any references to show that a standard game of Legion is 800 points?

1 hour ago, Ralgon said:

We know from listcrafting theory and the cards revealed the core set lists are ~400-450 points. Full size matches have been quoted as being 800.

Do you have any references to show that a full size match is 800? Do you have any references to show the different game modes? x-wing has several official game modes including 100pt and Epic.

4 hours ago, Rexler Brath said:

Do you have any references to show that a standard game of Legion is 800 points?

Yes. Alex Davy. The guy who created the game. Look it up.

59 minutes ago, AldousSnow said:

Yes. Alex Davy. The guy who created the game. Look it up.

Do you have a link?

29 minutes ago, Rexler Brath said:

Do you have a link?

It was in the team covenant youtube video. Or in the interview, don't remember. I think you can look them up for yourself.

55 minutes ago, Rexler Brath said:

Do you have a link?

Even if you use that figure as speculative (Alex has gotten details wrong, such as release date) There is still other evidence supporting 800 points or higher.

Take the photo of the army ranks restrictions page of the rulebook taken at gencon.

1-2 commanders

3-6 corps units (note right here we get bigger than the core set!!)

up to 3 special forces

up to 3 support

up to 3 heavy

Now as we have an average of around 70-80 points for a geared unit based on released cards it's a case where do you think that leaves us?

9 minutes ago, Ralgon said:

Now as we have an average of around 70-80 points for a geared unit based on released cards it's a case where do you think that leaves us?

Exactly my point. Its all speculation at this point. There is ZERO concrete evidence to support 800pts.

7 minutes ago, Rexler Brath said:

Exactly my point. Its all speculation at this point. There is ZERO concrete evidence to support 800pts.

did you even read the rest of my post?

It's far more concrete than "the core set is a full army" rubbish i was responding to..... It's a starter set and like most others in the industry it will be a small sample of whats to come.

There are other large models already built and not announced (go read the comments on sorastro's painting vid for luke)

Here's the 800pt proof

Please don’t feed the troll.

FFG was selling Dust Tactics/Warefare prepainted and Unpainted minis. Why not do it for Legion? This would only get more peeps into this amazing game!

14 minutes ago, chriscook said:

FFG was selling Dust Tactics/Warefare prepainted and Unpainted minis. Why not do it for Legion? This would only get more peeps into this amazing game!

Was Dust ever a very successful product for them? Not especially. So perhaps that is among the exact reasons they wouldn't repeat what they did for Dust.

18 minutes ago, chriscook said:

FFG was selling Dust Tactics/Warefare prepainted and Unpainted minis. Why not do it for Legion? This would only get more peeps into this amazing game!

There's have been several tabletop minis games that sold prepainted minis, but apart from things like HeroClix, which were painted to look like cheap plastic toys, I'm not aware of any that actually made it big.

All the most successful games in the classic wargaming genre, Warhammer, 40k, Warma-Hordes, Batman minis, FoW, Bolt Action, are all unpainted. It's a different market FFG are trying to break into, and that's an inherently risky thing to try and do. Asking them to make more upfront investments, especially in a direction that hasn't been commercially successful in this genre before, is asking a lot. At least one company I'm aware of (Rackham) went bust after trying to go down the pre-painted route. Now FFG is not in any danger of that, but it indicates it probably wouldn't be a sensible business choice.

12 hours ago, Rexler Brath said:

Why not? Epic Play is a valid means of playing x-wing and is an Official FFG game mode. There are even non-official Epic tournaments. Just because 100pt 75min x-wing is the most popular game mode, doesn't mean we can't compare it to legion and other games.

Do you have any references to show that a standard game of Legion is 800 points?

Do you have any references to show that a full size match is 800? Do you have any references to show the different game modes? x-wing has several official game modes including 100pt and Epic.

You don't want to make the comparison because beyond it being illogical to look at at non standard format as an example of typical cost to play the game, which is where the figure count came in to play, the comparison does not in anyway help the "point" you are trying to make.

Because if you want to talk about an X-wing format thats 3-4 times the normal X-wing point cost youd have to consider applications of that style of play format for Legion. Tripling point values of a squadron/army only exacerbates the discrepancy you are trying to minimize. Particularly because epic X-wing involves ships that are more expensive pointwise then a normal X-wing game.

But I see very clearly now that you are either painfully ignorant or just trolling.

This is all for not! We don't have a crystal ball and no one knows what's in store for this game. It hasn't even hit the shelves yet.