6 hours ago, Infinite_Maelstrom said:SSD?
Ep 8 tie ins
Devs have checked out.
What the **** else would they say? The fans "know the game better than they do" anyway so what would there be to say other than "Next ship is this. It has these cards. GO!"
There was a whole slew of games that didn't get mentioned. Only one of their LCGs. The In-Flight Report is generally going to focus on the just announced and newly announced product. And Fallout, Civ, Twilight Imperium, and Legion are their BIG games. ****, they are going to everything they can to pimp out their new $150 game, in Twilight Imperium. It is also not the forum to deal with the specific game lines issues that only affect the game like the FAQ.
Ok, so a few people have mentioned it, but I don't know what it's about. Did FFG announce a Fallout miniatures game?
Double post
Edited by JJFDVORAK4 minutes ago, JJFDVORAK said:Ok, so a few people have mentioned it, but I don't know what it's about. Did FFG announce a Fallout miniatures game?
1 minute ago, Bojanglez said:
I did enjoy that. Thanks!
On 8/18/2017 at 5:06 PM, gamblertuba said:Was Armada even mentioned? That's the game that gets hosed.
According to ICV2, Armada is the 4th best selling miniatures game:
https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/38061/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-spring-2017
I think FFG put more of focus this year at Gen Con for L5R, SW Legion and some of their board games like Twilight and Fallout. Though it'll be interesting to see what happens in the future. I personally think FFG has a lot of product lines out there to support for development and manufacturing.
Edited by hey_yuArmada did get a mention in the presentation, if nothing was revealed. Legion, L5R, Civ, Twilight Imperium, and Fallout were where their focus was on. For good reason, you really have to sell a $150 board game...
On 8/18/2017 at 2:28 PM, Akondo said:I know this. I'm just saying it's just a lot to cover. You never should spread yourself too thin it could lead to complications and competition with your own products
Or they could get untapped $ from 40k players who are not into dogfighting ship games...
Wait was there someone that may have bought the new wave but now wouldn't?
Of course not.
There is no need to spend a lot of time building up for their most established product line. X-wing would sell itself with no presentation.
On 8/18/2017 at 1:55 PM, migs6000 said:From my viewing of the FFG stream, I feel the devs are kind of done with X-Wing.
They spent considerably more time on some of their games I've never heard of and have never seen played. Get to X-Wing, here are the new ships. Ok, bye.
No discussion of the future, nothing about the FAQ leak. For the game that is your bread and butter, I would expect something else. They just seem like they are just pushing product out because they have to.
You would be done too if everyone is calling you a complete retard for Jumpmasters and Scum. As I said the community has gotten hostile, but the way FFG handled it did bring it on sort of in a way.
Seriously X-wing out of all the table top games has one of the most balanced metas and everyone is treating it as the most broken game out there. I hate competitive communities (MLG, NCAA) sometimes. They seem to do more harm than benefit.
26 minutes ago, Marinealver said:You would be done too if everyone is calling you a complete retard for Jumpmasters and Scum. As I said the community has gotten hostile, but the way FFG handled it did bring it on sort of in a way.
Seriously X-wing out of all the table top games has one of the most balanced metas and everyone is treating it as the most broken game out there. I hate competitive communities (MLG, NCAA) sometimes. They seem to do more harm than benefit.
I have to disagree that X Wing has one of the most balanced metas. It's not all the doom and gloom some make it out to be but when for multiple years one faction out of only three has failed to be represented at the top levels of play there is an issue. And it isn't simply an issue of skill or talent. It has to be addressed that Imperials are lacking their own set of tools to really carve out a high level competitive niche in the current environment. That they managed to do well in a limited number of Store Champs is not indicative that they are in a good place as a faction. And as much as I have seen people whine about how warping pre nerf TIE Phantoms, X-7 Defenders or Palpatine were, we never saw them dominate multiple YEARS of top level competition. So I find it disingenuous at best when people try to point to those things on the Imperial side to try and justify not fixing one of THE most meta defining and warping ships in the game as backed up by what limited data we have.
1 hour ago, Deimos said:I have to disagree that X Wing has one of the most balanced metas. It's not all the doom and gloom some make it out to be but when for multiple years one faction out of only three has failed to be represented at the top levels of play there is an issue. And it isn't simply an issue of skill or talent. It has to be addressed that Imperials are lacking their own set of tools to really carve out a high level competitive niche in the current environment. That they managed to do well in a limited number of Store Champs is not indicative that they are in a good place as a faction. And as much as I have seen people whine about how warping pre nerf TIE Phantoms, X-7 Defenders or Palpatine were, we never saw them dominate multiple YEARS of top level competition. So I find it disingenuous at best when people try to point to those things on the Imperial side to try and justify not fixing one of THE most meta defining and warping ships in the game as backed up by what limited data we have.
Well my question is what has the most balanced meta out of living table top games? As far as multiple years let me remind you that there wasn't a full year between Worlds 2016 and Worlds 2017 due to the venue change. So multiple years? Try one, the only real multiple years was Paul Heaver who was 3 times champion. Before that it was Doug Keeny with TIE Swarm. Yeah it is no secret Imperials are not doing so well. But it is also no secret that most of the higher imperial lists were arc dodgers and that is not the list to fly. However trying to break Imperial players from that mindset is impossible. As far as nerfs go, yup most of those nerfs were not exactly the top of the meta yet they still went through. Which is another reason why I am against more nerfs. If the first batch didn't fix everything what makes people think the next one will?
9 hours ago, Marinealver said:Seriously X-wing out of all the table top games has one of the most balanced metas and everyone is treating it as the most broken game out there. I hate competitive communities (MLG, NCAA) sometimes. They seem to do more harm than benefit.
Fundamentally, competitive scenes don't really mind that much if a game isn't balanced. Competitive players will pick whatever they need to pick in order to win, and will just get on with it. A lack of balance might make some games boring, but it doesn't make the game unplayable. Of course, they still complain about balance. :-)
It's the casual community which most needs balance. Players there want to play specific, themed squads (or do not own all the things), and are heavily disadvantaged if those squads cannot perform, to the point where the game can be unplayable for fans of that squad. The effect of imbalance is much more severe and important here.
Edited by MoppyYeah, the tier 2 and 1.5 stuff is where the real health of the meta lies, imo. Which is why Store Championships are more important data points for the health of the game than the big tournaments.
11 hours ago, Moppy said:Fundamentally, competitive scenes don't really mind that much if a game isn't balanced. Competitive players will pick whatever they need to pick in order to win, and will just get on with it. A lack of balance might make some games boring, but it doesn't make the game unplayable. Of course, they still complain about balance. :-)
It's the casual community which most needs balance. Players there want to play specific, themed squads (or do not own all the things), and are heavily disadvantaged if those squads cannot perform, to the point where the game can be unplayable for fans of that squad. The effect of imbalance is much more severe and important here.
BWAHAHA!
Yeah right,
On 20/08/2017 at 0:20 PM, JJFDVORAK said:Ok, so a few people have mentioned it, but I don't know what it's about. Did FFG announce a Fallout miniatures game?
No, FFG announced a board game. Modiphius is launching a Fallout minis game.
On 18.8.2017 at 10:56 PM, BlodVargarna said:Legion looks pretty awesome.
Only in a sense of models as they are a lot better than the imperial assault ones. But the time alone spent to paint them is unappealing and unpainted they look as bad as all unpainted models. Not even GW quality. Doesn't help either that the game attracts warhammer players. That alone makes the game unappealing, because in the end a game is always just as good as the people you play with. And X-Wing is awesome in this regard.
BTW, X-Wing does not seem to make that much money. Asmodee is still below 500 million in revenue, and this includes not only X-Wing, but big things like Catan, Pandemic, Ticket to Ride and 7 Wonders, etc So I am pretty sure Asmodee knows exactly what they do with all the X-Wing money. Explore new games like Legion, Expand their empire with more corporate acquisitions, exploit their established games like X-Wing and exterminate more market shares from GW. This time it is an direct attack on Warhammer with legion.
On 8/18/2017 at 3:55 PM, migs6000 said:From my viewing of the FFG stream, I feel the devs are kind of done with X-Wing.
They spent considerably more time on some of their games I've never heard of and have never seen played. Get to X-Wing, here are the new ships. Ok, bye.
No discussion of the future, nothing about the FAQ leak. For the game that is your bread and butter, I would expect something else. They just seem like they are just pushing product out because they have to.
I think you misinterpreted the presentation. It's a brief overview. Presentation was fine. The game is fine. People need to quit b****ing.
Edited by tortugatron9 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:Only in a sense of models as they are a lot better than the imperial assault ones. But
BTW, X-Wing does not seem to make that much money. Asmodee is still below 500 million in revenue.
Compared to other games of its type, X-Wing makes a lot of money.
Very true about miniature quality compared to 40K. However they do appear to be priced a lot lower. A 40K starter box is about $160. Legion is somewhere in the 2 digits, I think. There certainly is a market for miniature games in the lower price bracket.
Edited by Moppy35 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:Doesn't help either that the game attracts warhammer players.
How many here are 40k refugees? I'm one.
1 hour ago, SEApocalypse said:BTW, X-Wing does not seem to make that much money. Asmodee is still below 500 million in revenue, and this includes not only X-Wing, but big things like Catan, Pandemic, Ticket to Ride and 7 Wonders, etc So I am pretty sure Asmodee knows exactly what they do with all the X-Wing money. Explore new games like Legion, Expand their empire with more corporate acquisitions, exploit their established games like X-Wing and exterminate more market shares from GW. This time it is an direct attack on Warhammer with legion.
That's a decent portion of the available hobby gaming industry. ICV2 had the industry at 1.4 billion for 2016. They also stated the non-collectible gaming industry (40k, X-Wing, Warmachine/Hordes, etc) accounted 205 million of the 1.4 billion; which is a smaller slice of the pie. It seems collectible games at $750 million is larger share of the pie.
https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/38012/hobby-games-market-over-1-4-billion
I understand FFG doesn't need to promote X-Wing as much since it's the #1 selling non-collectible game and it was better to promote new games like L5R, SW Legion, etc. Though, it'll be interesting to see what happens to X-Wing with SW Legion. I think SW Legion has the potential to dethrone X-Wing for the #1 spot and the potential of Alex Davy transitioning to SW Legion full time at some point.
Edited by hey_yuIts why we have a new, third designer. I think Frank is still somewhat involved.