I would link the AT-AT to a strategy card with 1 pip that gives the player a dice roll to see if the AT-AT is moved onto the board, starting from turn 2 on. Its' entry point is marked by a token, and if it doesn't come on the token can move speed 1 along the board edge. If it comes onto the board place its short edge on the token.
Scale and Vehicles
On 8/18/2017 at 7:14 PM, RookiePilot said:Flyers could work, they just wouldn't neccesarily move about the board. Similar to Flames of War style.
Yeah, flyers wouldn't be something you keep on the table, they would be something that zooms over the battlefield with a strafing or bombing run. You wouldn't need a model for it, just a token for where the run starts and then it would do some sort of AoE damage. Everything within Range `1 takes 1 damage, or something like that. Would be able to roll defense dice against it.
You could of course use a model like that, just put on the table because it looks cool and then take it off when the run is done.
While flyers won't always be on the battlefield, when they are present they will look much better as models than tokens...
I mean, you could say that all units could actually be tokens without changing the game mechanics. But Legion is about models and the work their owners put into them.
17 hours ago, TylerTT said:if we are lucky FFG has teamed up with BAN DAI and we will be getting the miniatures manufactured by that company and their lovely 1-48th scale AT-AT and snowspeeder.
AI miniatures are slightly larger than WOTC in my opinion it's just almost every AI miniature is squatting. my 1-48th scale chewbaka is almost exactly the same size as my IA chewbaka. although the IA chewbaka is chunkier and cooler.
I would love to see a collaboration between FFG and Bandai. Holy crap. That would be amazing.
10 hours ago, Rumar said:Of course you can put an oversized mini on the table. Then what? Tabletop is about maneuvering and how do you maneuver those vehicles in cramped space?
Easy. If Brody needed a bigger boat then the RC would take a bigger table. 6X3 is a little small.
After doing some quick math with the 33-35 mm scale, it looks like an AT-AT would clock in at 13-14 inches tall. Not as bad as I thought, and totally probable. That would put an X-wing at 10 inches long, though it would be more of a terrain piece than functioning mini. This was the game I was looking for. Totally excited.
11 minutes ago, AldousSnow said:After doing some quick math with the 33-35 mm scale, it looks like an AT-AT would clock in at 13-14 inches tall. Not as bad as I thought, and totally probable. That would put an X-wing at 10 inches long, though it would be more of a terrain piece than functioning mini. This was the game I was looking for. Totally excited.
If the X-Wing is a terrain piece, what does that make an AT-AT?
It's almost half again as long.
1 minute ago, qwertyuiop said:If the X-Wing is a terrain piece, what does that make an AT-AT?
Size wasn't the catalyst between terrain and functioning mini. Though I see where you're coming from lol.
My view was that an X Wing or any space fighter doesn't have a place in the rules. Too fast, too outside the scope of a Wargame. But an Imperial Walker is a ground unit. It's function in the Star Wars universe is a troop transport and Rebel Soldier murderer. That is Star Wars Legion. Yes, it's power is considerable. So maybe like X Wing miniatures, it would have special Epic game rules or it would provide a special mission with special rules. They won't pass on a mini everyone wants with a scale that allows for it, though, yes, on the large size. Besides, if someone buys an AT-AT, I promise their friend just bought 2 Snowspeeders lol.
I could see a broken AT-AT making a really nice terrain piece.
An AT-AT as a unit may work but like x-wing epic ships it would require a new movement tool.
A 1-48 model at-at is about 20 inches long. Not too much room to run about if you are deploying on the long edges of a 3x6 board but I think it would be fine if players deployed the short edges. The range ruler is 2.5 feet long. That gives enough room between sides.
2 hours ago, AldousSnow said:Size wasn't the catalyst between terrain and functioning mini. Though I see where you're coming from lol.
My view was that an X Wing or any space fighter doesn't have a place in the rules. Too fast, too outside the scope of a Wargame. But an Imperial Walker is a ground unit. It's function in the Star Wars universe is a troop transport and Rebel Soldier murderer. That is Star Wars Legion. Yes, it's power is considerable. So maybe like X Wing miniatures, it would have special Epic game rules or it would provide a special mission with special rules. They won't pass on a mini everyone wants with a scale that allows for it, though, yes, on the large size. Besides, if someone buys an AT-AT, I promise their friend just bought 2 Snowspeeders lol.
Ooo, can't play ball with you there. I am pretty sure the x-wing pilots on Scariff would argue with you how fast they are in atmosphere. My point is x-wings (any snubfighter, really) has a place on the board. We used to have strafe runs and bombing runs. Lots of fun! Definitely cranks up the tension!
23 hours ago, TylerTT said:I could see a broken AT-AT making a really nice terrain piece.
An AT-AT as a unit may work but like x-wing epic ships it would require a new movement tool.
A 1-48 model at-at is about 20 inches long. Not too much room to run about if you are deploying on the long edges of a 3x6 board but I think it would be fine if players deployed the short edges. The range ruler is 2.5 feet long. That gives enough room between sides.
1:48 model AT-AT would be 16.4 inches. Wookieepedia has them listed at 20m long, which is 65.6ft, and 1:48 scale is 1/4" = 1 foot, so, 16.4 inches in length, 18.45 inches tall.
2 hours ago, Inksplat said:1:48 model AT-AT would be 16.4 inches. Wookieepedia has them listed at 20m long, which is 65.6ft, and 1:48 scale is 1/4" = 1 foot, so, 16.4 inches in length, 18.45 inches tall.
And for a 1:48 scale AT-ST, the bandai one is perfect!
.... That is if we don't get one at release/wave 1....
I just built the bandai 1-48 AT-ST and snow speeder. About the only way FFG could sell me on the asinine scale bump from IA is if it were 1-48 scale and BanDai was making the official vheical kits.
On 8/18/2017 at 8:35 PM, schuwa said:And a follow up question, for some of those bigger models, like AT-ST's, will FFG "scale down" the models similar to what they did with the Millennium Falcon in X-wing, in order to get them to be playable pieces in this line?
Actually in X-Wing the Falcon is in scale. Things like the Corellian corvette and the Raider are not
Can't wait to dig out my several hundred WoTC Miniatures and use it in the game. Might even have to pull Bertha (my ATAT) off the shelf.
Does anyone have a landspeeder in the right scale, I'm planning some tatooine terrain and I think a landspeeder or two would be cool. I'm wondering about the micro machines action fleet series, the wizards of the Coast Star Wars miniatures ones, or even the Disney store die cast one in particular, but if there is another out there I'd love to know.
I've been looking for an even vaguely well scaled landspeeder, and so far no luck
On 8/18/2017 at 11:35 AM, schuwa said:My biggest curiosity is which vehicles can we realistically see in SW: Legion? I see the AT-RT and the speeder bikes, but can we expect Snow Speeders, AT-ST's, or other similar ground vehicles; are those simply too big?
And a follow up question, for some of those bigger models, like AT-ST's, will FFG "scale down" the models similar to what they did with the Millennium Falcon in X-wing, in order to get them to be playable pieces in this line?
I was really hoping for an game where I could field an AT-AT, but considering this is heroic scale (34mm), I cannot imagine that happening with this game
I've said it before
Ffg often makes use of a sliding scale
I'm still flummoxed FFG would make a ground battle game that couldn't recreate the Battle of Hoth. even with its larger scale, I assume eventually Legion will have an AT-AT, but I don't see a 6x3 play area allowing for the 5-6 AT-AT's in the Battle of Hoth. Booooo.
Just now, Thraug said:I'm still flummoxed FFG would make a ground battle game that couldn't recreate the Battle of Hoth. even with its larger scale, I assume eventually Legion will have an AT-AT, but I don't see a 6x3 play area allowing for the 5-6 AT-AT's in the Battle of Hoth. Booooo.
Can't help you there. But I fully believe we will see them. I don't know what the slide will be but it will be there. But I'm also one of the ones that firmly believe the SSD will be in Armada.
14 minutes ago, Tirion said:Can't help you there. But I fully believe we will see them. I don't know what the slide will be but it will be there. But I'm also one of the ones that firmly believe the SSD will be in Armada.
Though Armada is a game that was created with a sliding scale in mind. SSD in Armada is much more realistic than ATAT in Legion.
If the deployment zones in legion are anything like Rune Wars that means they are designing the game to function with players deploying 6 feet apart.
To play a battle of hoth just push four 3x6 tables together on the long edge and make a 6x12 foot gaming table.
12 minutes ago, TylerTT said:If the deployment zones in legion are anything like Rune Wars that means they are designing the game to function with players deploying 6 feet apart.
To play a battle of hoth just push four 3x6 tables together on the long edge and make a 6x12 foot gaming table.
There several types of deployment zone. Some long ways down the table, some across it, some corners etc.
thats what I mean. they have built rune wars to work at all sorts of engagement distances, I can see them doing the same for Legion.
The bottom line is that, people would buy At-Ats. That means there is money to be made if they find a way to integrate that into the game. Maybe an epic style of play with snow speeders and At-Ats. Sure, make the board bigger for that style. Rules, point size and table size can easily be adjusted. I think there is is a good possibility that might be in the future. Maybe in a couple of years when it's time for a second or third wave. But I can easily see it happening.