My biggest curiosity is which vehicles can we realistically see in SW: Legion? I see the AT-RT and the speeder bikes, but can we expect Snow Speeders, AT-ST's, or other similar ground vehicles; are those simply too big?

And a follow up question, for some of those bigger models, like AT-ST's, will FFG "scale down" the models similar to what they did with the Millennium Falcon in X-wing, in order to get them to be playable pieces in this line?

I was really hoping for an game where I could field an AT-AT, but considering this is heroic scale (34mm), I cannot imagine that happening with this game

I think we are going to see a lot of infantry along with a lot of individual 'hero' units.

I think we'll also see a lot of stationary or low movement stuff. Emplacements, heavier tripod mounted weapons, etc.

Later on they throw in some larger stuff. AT-ST. Speeder with mounted heavy weapon. I kind of doubt we'll see anything bigger. Throwing an AT-AT or something into the mix would be kind of crazy. Snow Speeders also would be large and difficult to field. I foresee some animal mounts though. Taun taun, dewback, etc.

The size and format of the game make it look like they want small scale engagements that can be played competitively in a short period of time.

I think an AT-ST would be fairly reasonable as the upper-end of size for Legion, especially if they do one that's closer to true scale than the Imperial Assault walkers. Smaller two-legged walkers like the AT-DP and AP-PT would also be reasonable inclusions, if not necessarily early additions. Something like the SC2-M, other light repulsor tanks, and fast-attack speeders would also be reasonable.

I don't expect much larger vehicles, like an AT-AT, AT-TE, or Juggernaut unless they opt for very large-scale battles, played on something like a 4x8 battlefield at minimum. I really don't want vehicles that are half the size they should be relative to infantry.

I would love a scale-accurate AT-AT, though, even if it would take ages to paint.

If the miniature size is comparable to the original West End Games Star Wars Miniatures Game, AT-STs, AT-PTs, T-47 Airspeeders, Banthas, Rancors, Repulsor Tanks are all possibilities as they were available for the WEG version. Although I expect something fast moving like the T-47 would not make the cut because it sounds like a small battlefield, like the new Runewars Miniatures game.

I guess it will be a battlefield size of 3' x 6' or 6' x 6', both of which FFG seems to like for their miniatures games with time limits (product page mentions 6 Rounds just like Armada). That size is a bit too small for large fast moving vehicles such as the T-47.

I really hope it isn't 3'x6'. The battlefield for Runewars feels so small. But 6'x6' would be awfully difficult to maneuver figures in the middle of the map. That's why I'd like to see something like 4'x8'.

And I did some figuring. Based on reports that Luke is about 35mm tall and Mark Hamill's height of 5'9", an AT-AT to proper scale would be between 17 and 18" tall, and about as long. That's probably too big to see even in a mass-combat game. Frankly, that's too big for game use even on a 6'x6' map. I think to get it to a playable size, you'd have to throw the scale too far out the window. And I reiterate that I don't want an AT-AT that is at half the scale it should be.

2 hours ago, kmanweiss said:

I think we are going to see a lot of infantry along with a lot of individual 'hero' units.

Isn't that all IA skirmish is?

What are peoples takes on flyers? Think we'll see Y-Wings or TIE-Bombers dropping ordinance on the field?

I'm guessing that we will eventually get an AT-AT.

AT-STs are a certainty in my mind. ****, they already have the mold for that from Imperial Assault.

I doubt we'll see any flyers. Too fast for this scale. If anything, you might get some sort of representation from being able to call in support. Some rebel officer might be able to call in an air strike to damage a wide area. But even that might be a little too wild.

We may eventually see an AT-AT, but it's going to be like Epic X-Wing. It's going to be super expensive, it's not really going to be useful for all but a niche group of players, and none of the tournament content will ever include it. I don't think size is even the biggest problem when it comes to an AT-AT at this scale though. Point cost and gameplay is. I'm gonna throw out a 300 point early game system that eventually upgrades to 400 or maybe 500 points. But Luke/Vader are probably around 200 points and troopers are like 10/12 a piece. An AT-AT is meant for destroying buildings and large vehicles. A single blast from an AT-AT could wipe out a squad by itself due to the blast AOE. On top of that, snowspeeder blasters can't hurt it, so what are hand held rifles going to do. It's too big and too powerful at this scale. Sadly, I think they missed the mark with this....unless it's the small scale to the eventual large scale version to come later.

14 minutes ago, Mikael Hasselstein said:

AT-STs are a certainty in my mind.

AT-STs appear on the cover of the core set. They will definitely be in the game, probably in the first wave of unit boxes.

So if you line up the Imperial Assault Luke vs the Legions Luke you get the Legions models are slightly bigger. That puts it in the same size catagory as the WOTC mini's, which are a little bigger scale than IA. WOTC had an AT-AT for their mini game, so I don't see why Legions couldn't expect one. That mini was big though, 18" long and 14" high, with a retail of $50 in 2005.

Vehicles are more than doable. Flyers as well. West End Games pulled it off in the eighties. No reason FFG can't do it now.

Flyers could work, they just wouldn't neccesarily move about the board. Similar to Flames of War style.

Am i right in thinking that the scale is about 28mm. Just wondering about terrain etc.

Also, does anyone know whether they are the same/similar in size to imperial assault

if we are lucky FFG has teamed up with BAN DAI and we will be getting the miniatures manufactured by that company and their lovely 1-48th scale AT-AT and snowspeeder.

AI miniatures are slightly larger than WOTC in my opinion it's just almost every AI miniature is squatting. my 1-48th scale chewbaka is almost exactly the same size as my IA chewbaka. although the IA chewbaka is chunkier and cooler.

If Legion Luke is 35mm, with a 5mm tall base, that puts him right at home with 1:48 scale, which has a person at like 37-38mm, given Luke is kind of short, and the base is so tall. That also puts an AT-AT at only 16.5" long, which doesn't actually seem completely unreasonable on a 3x6 board so long as its slow.

I drew a line to help account for the pose to find the trueish height of the models

I think luke is one of the smallest AI figures. and it does not help that he is squatting and the legion luke is in a batters pose.

Thank you for that pic. Thats super helpful. I'm trying to brain storm whats out there for terrain and for I have a good collection already going of 1:48 ish scale Star Wars models but I'm looking for more to fill the battle field. Between Bandai making a handful of great models in 1:48 and some of the more decent WoTC stuff, I'm feeling pretty good about whats out there.

Does anyone know of a land speeder close to the right scale? I'm wondering if theres something better than the WoTC one. Like maybe the bigger micro machines action fleet series or the disney dicast one? Does anyone have any of those and are they close to the right size?

In that Luke pic, the IA Luke's feet are level with the Legion Luke's ankles. He actually looks a lot smaller when on the same level, as seen here.

It's important to note that Luke is one of the smaller Imperial Assault models:

On 19.8.2017 at 2:08 AM, Raging Celt said:

Vehicles are more than doable. Flyers as well. West End Games pulled it off in the eighties. No reason FFG can't do it now.

Of course you can put an oversized mini on the table. Then what? Tabletop is about maneuvering and how do you maneuver those vehicles in cramped space?

3 hours ago, RED NED said:

It's important to note that Luke is one of the smaller Imperial Assault models:

well he is a bit too short for a storm trooper

1 hour ago, Rumar said:

Of course you can put an oversized mini on the table. Then what? Tabletop is about maneuvering and how do you maneuver those vehicles in cramped space?

If X-Wing and Armada can have 12" long models, the only reason Legion couldn't might be terrain related.

On 19/08/2017 at 10:08 AM, Raging Celt said:

Vehicles are more than doable. Flyers as well. West End Games pulled it off in the eighties. No reason FFG can't do it now.

FWIW the game designer Alex Davy specifically mentions the Snow Speeders in the Team Covenant demo video...

I fully expect every aspect of ground battles to be juiced for more product. Snowspeeders, AT-ATs, AT-STs, etc. The question is: where will I store all this stuff?