At this point I want Clone Wars factions the most, but seeing as it probably won't happen I'm falling back on the SSD.

1 minute ago, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:

At this point I want Clone Wars factions the most, but seeing as it probably won't happen I'm falling back on the SSD.

Best hope we have is ravaged CW ships They do show the second most epic space fight in prequels, truly hope to see it

Armada uses a logarithmic scale? Funny. I want a logarithmic movement tool for the SSD.

2 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Best hope we have is ravaged CW ships They do show the second most epic space fight in prequels, truly hope to see it

Third. And that's also exactly how many epic space fights we've had. It goes Scarif>Endor>bad CGI Coruscant

3 minutes ago, Truthiness said:

Third. And that's also exactly how many epic space fights we've had. It goes Scarif>Endor>*** CGI Coruscant

I grew up with episode III being my favourite, and that space battle has ALWAYS amazed me, Endor is incredible, but the ships blowing up and the explicitly shown fight between capital ships just makes me love it so much

Edit: I'm referring to Coruscant in the last bit, bad english, sorry

2 minutes ago, Visovics said:

I grew up with episode III being my favourite

/facepalm

I guess that's the difference between the prequels starting when I was high school and seeing them when you're younger.

I think the worst part of that movie is how much better the book is with only very minor tweaks. Lucas had a good plot structure for Revenge, but mucked it up so bad with terrible directing. There's only so much you can do with Hayden Christensen (sp?), but everyone else in that movie are pretty good in other movies. I will, however, admit it started well. That space battle was pretty good. It is unfortunate that is followed by Revenge of the Sith

I was just blown away by the scale of the battle. I was 9. Endor hadn't even been that big. Go back and watch the battle, and pause at any one point; there's so much detail going on that you just miss because it is all happening so fast.

24 minutes ago, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:

I was just blown away by the scale of the battle. I was 9. Endor hadn't even been that big. Go back and watch the battle, and pause at any one point; there's so much detail going on that you just miss because it is all happening so fast.

That's actually why I didn't like it. I found a site called Redlettermedia not too long ago where they go through the Prequels and explain why they're bad. The whole idea of "there's just so much going on in every shot" is one of those things.

I could see FFG creating a third faction called "the Conglomerate" or something. Some business/criminal organization that uses old tech to bring in the clone wars stuff.

I think the hard part is that there isn't any resonance in the prequel stuff. I was 10 when Episode 1 came out, so I was pretty much right in that sweet spot for marketing. I still don't know what any of the ships are called from the prequels but I can tell you all about the original trilogy stuff even years after I'd watched them last.

As for the crappy announcement from FFG, I'm very disappointed.

21 minutes ago, Truthiness said:

/facepalm

I guess that's the difference between the prequels starting when I was high school and seeing them when you're younger.

I think the worst part of that movie is how much better the book is with only very minor tweaks. Lucas had a good plot structure for Revenge, but mucked it up so bad with terrible directing. There's only so much you can do with Hayden Christensen (sp?), but everyone else in that movie are pretty good in other movies. I will, however, admit it started well. That space battle was pretty good. It is unfortunate that is followed by Revenge of the Sith

There definitely is, when you are younger watching these films in a time where you don't go to the internet and see other people talk about it, they are amazing (except 2 with the weird love plot, but Kaminoand geonosis are still gold in a child's eye) because as children, people don't notice the "how good is the CGI", it looks realistic enough and cool enough, add explosions, and it's good enough. Also, as the film goes on, you see more of the war along with lots of lightsaber action AND A FIGHT ON A LAVA PLANET! Then you start growing up, and you see the betrayal, and as you grow up more and more you see more layers of the plot differently, the manipulation, the political situation, Ani's fears of losing another person he loves, how as the Jedi's don't recognise him as a master and Palpatine slowly shows appreciation for him making him feel like only the supreme chancellor sees his potential and then how for Ani the ones who don't appreciate him want him to spy on the person that trusts him most and how the woman he loves takes the side of the ones he now believes as conspirators to take down the senate, and how he sees an assasination attempt b the jedi

I'm sure I'll see it differently in a year, but growing up watching, the whole film changes as you mature, it's crazy

25 minutes ago, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:

I was just blown away by the scale of the battle. I was 9. Endor hadn't even been that big. Go back and watch the battle, and pause at any one point; there's so much detail going on that you just miss because it is all happening so fast.

Which in and of itself is my problem with it. Absolutely enormous scope. You get ten seconds to see it before you zoom into Anakin and Obi Wan. There were ways to build into that. Image if they had started the movie with the Separatists hyperspacing in and actually seeing the abduction of Palatine. Didn't Grevious kill a Jedi Master or two during that fight? Then you get to see the Republic fleet jump in to the rescue.

You're making me disappointed in Lucas all over again...

2 minutes ago, Visovics said:

There definitely is, when you are younger watching these films in a time where you don't go to the internet and see other people talk about it, they are amazing (except 2 with the weird love plot, but Kaminoand geonosis are still gold in a child's eye) because as children, people don't notice the "how good is the CGI", it looks realistic enough and cool enough, add explosions, and it's good enough. Also, as the film goes on, you see more of the war along with lots of lightsaber action AND A FIGHT ON A LAVA PLANET! Then you start growing up, and you see the betrayal, and as you grow up more and more you see more layers of the plot differently, the manipulation, the political situation, Ani's fears of losing another person he loves, how as the Jedi's don't recognise him as a master and Palpatine slowly shows appreciation for him making him feel like only the supreme chancellor sees his potential and then how for Ani the ones who don't appreciate him want him to spy on the person that trusts him most and how the woman he loves takes the side of the ones he now believes as conspirators to take down the senate, and how he sees an assasination attempt b the jedi

See, you write that and it sounds amazing. I read the Revenge of the Sith novelization and it IS amazing. And then I watch the movie and see Hayden Christensen's stupid face emo spewing "you under estimate my power" and I want to use the disc for target practice.

On another note, I seriously recommend the novelization by Matt Stover and imagine the voice of Anakin from the Clone Wars in your mind. You can replace all of the prequels with just that book.

As I've gotten older (a ripe 32 nearly) I've come to find the abuse the prequels receive on a daily basis to be somewhat ridiculous. While there are a number of things that stand out as bad, ala Jar Jar... the epic scope of the films and indeed their visual clutter does a great service to the rather immense size of the galaxy and the incredible breadth and depth of everything in it. You get a real sense for the disfunction of the Republic, the timelessness of Coruscant, the metropolitan nature of the galactic culture.

The quantity of new aliens, ships, etc also were sorely missing from the original trilogy, which was undoubtedly a product of its time and budget. While I would definitely change a number of characters and plot points, I think the fans of Star Wars who rail against the prequels are being somewhat obtuse and choosing to focus on the minor negative elements.

Anyway I just got frustrated seeing the thread be derailed so I apologize for contributing to that. Having Separatist and Republic ships in game would be awesome! Having an SSD might be awesome as a quality FFG model, but I think I would rather it didn't happen since its combat power should be way off the Armada scale charts.

10 hours ago, Requete said:

I was hoping for a new campaign, the MC75, the gunship, and Admirals Raddus and Thrawn.

This. I would love to see Thrawn, but would he come in on an ISD varient? The MC75 would be pretty cool. And I like the idea of some new objectives, but I don't think we would get both. My two pesos is that we will get a supper huge 800 pt campaign or the ships, but I can't imagine anything before wave 7 so I'm gonna say the ships come first.

16 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Either way, the main thing is that even when they can afford it, it's often economically unviable. Even the Hutts didn't possess dedicated warships. They bought and sold them, but never kept them. That's really the main issue. Affording them, not so much. Wanting them, that's something else entirely. Few scum WANT warships , for as I said before, it doesn't fit the business model. Now, your point about rogue groups who span several planets has value. There likely are various system-states, so to speak, who possess a small military and do not belong to either the Empire or the Rebellion. However you cannot consider them scum. They would be legitimate states. And we'd need some canon mentions of them before they can be introduced in Armada, else FFG would be forced to make up a faction and make up a bunch of ship designs - nobody would be able to relate to it.

So to reiterate, there are two groups:

Scum, and system states.

For the former, it's economically unviable to own warships, as the businesses aren't oriented to the type of activities that would warrant such vessels, though they may be able to afford them. Therefore, I don't think we should see such factions in Armada. For the latter, we know of none. It may be viable for Armada, for capital ships do provide a service to them, but we know of none, and it seems unlikely that the Empire would have suffered their existence.

In Legends the Hutts did have warships and the shipyards to build them. While I know that Legends is not canon anymore, that does not mean that it may not be brought back. Do you have a canon source that says that Hutts and other cartels do not have warships, the shipyards to build them, and/or the resources to procure them?

Also, why would it not fit their business model, and why should system states run by cartels not have warships? I guess we have different assessments of what counts as Scum. I would make the (racist) remark that the Hutts are Scum.

We all have our own head-canon. It seems that ours is at odds with one another. That only means we cannot say that the other is categorically wrong, while canon has not decided one way or the other.

I grew up on the original star wars trilogy, but still like the prequels too. All of them. I know it's not a popular opinion, and some of the acting is worse than Sharknado , but they are still good enough for me to watch many times.

Darth Maul is my favourite Star Wars character.... even in the cartoons. First time I saw his lightsaber fight was the hardest my jaw hit the floor in any movie ever, and I have practiced martial arts to this day because of its awesomeness.

Back on topic, no SSD, 'big' will be the finaliser class. I'm going to paint mine black.

12 hours ago, Swusn said:

Actually it's not. The Armada ISD is properly proportioned. I once believe d as you do but there was a huge debate thread a year or so ago that proved beyond doubt that the ISD model in Armada is perfectly perportioned in comparison to the filming models used in ESB.

Hm, I made the calculations once, but I'll just take your word for it out of laziness.

2 hours ago, Truthiness said:

I think the worst part of that movie is how much better the book is with only very minor tweaks.

Revenge of the Sith novelization is seriously one of the best Star Wars books written. I was blown away how much better it was.

2 hours ago, ricefrisbeetreats said:

I could see FFG creating a third faction called "the Conglomerate" or something. Some business/criminal organization that uses old tech to bring in the clone wars stuff.

I think the hard part is that there isn't any resonance in the prequel stuff. I was 10 when Episode 1 came out, so I was pretty much right in that sweet spot for marketing. I still don't know what any of the ships are called from the prequels but I can tell you all about the original trilogy stuff even years after I'd watched them last.

As for the crappy announcement from FFG, I'm very disappointed.

I'm am usually firmly in the camp of "no third faction", but this is a unique and interesting way to get the Clone Wars era Technology into the game.

I was getting out of college when the prequels came out and you are right, until recently I had no clue which separatistship was which, although I still struggle with it. The most iconic is the Venator, but I think that is because it has the triangle shape we all associate with Star Wars. I would take Clone Wars era ships, but I am of the opinion that they need to be "worse" then the galactic civil war stuff, since they are outdated. I'm sure that is an unpopular opinion among those that really want them, but it is what makes sense to me. The discussions we have had in the past about these ships, especially the Venator, turn into people creating a ship that is a hybrid of an ISD and a Quasar. It is too powerful and would create a situation where you would never put an ISD on the table. And that to me would just be wrong.

Back to the OP, I think our best bet is a wave that is either all Last Jedi stuff or a mix between Rogue One and Last Jedi. It would be one very likely explanation for why we had no announcement at Gencon.

New Trilogy ships excite me less than any other option. Would I buy them...

I honestly haven't decided yet.

Clone Wars, most likely I would buy 2-3 of everything.

SSD, I can see dropping the cash for 2.

Maybe an epic space battle in Last Jedi can change my mind.

47 minutes ago, mcworrell said:

The most iconic is the Venator, but I think that is because it has the triangle shape we all associate with Star Wars.

And it looks like Jar Jar Binks' head!

42 minutes ago, cynanbloodbane said:

New Trilogy ships excite me less than any other option. Would I buy them...

I honestly haven't decided yet.

Clone Wars, most likely I would buy 2-3 of everything.

SSD, I can see dropping the cash for 2.

Maybe an epic space battle in Last Jedi can change my mind.

I totally agree with you. I don't have a "connection" to the new stuff yet, but I think it is more likely to happen before prequel stuff.

I'm not a huge fan of the SSD and might eventually get one, but I wouldn't be running out the door for it. I just see it as being to expensive.

39 minutes ago, Mikael Hasselstein said:

And it looks like Jar Jar Binks' head!

Once you see it you can't unsee it. Were the guys at ILM just trolling all of us after all the hate for Jar Jar from the prequels? If they were that is fantastic.

24 minutes ago, Mikael Hasselstein said:

And it looks like Jar Jar Binks' head!

My eyes!

18 minutes ago, mcworrell said:

Once you see it you can't unsee it. We're the guys at ILM just trolling all of us after all the hate for Jar Jar from the prequels? If they were that is fantastic.

Search your feelings. You know it to be true!

Ok, ok, sure it looks like Jar Jar, but it is brilliant design separating fighter command from helm. Less confusion.

The Venator also shouldn't have a ton of firepower. It only had 8 heavy turbolaser turrets. The majority of its weaponry was point defense oriented.