If they made ships from the prequels they could hypothetically market them separate by their factions.

IE two varients of the Venator. One republic, one imperial.

17 minutes ago, Tommy Blunderbuss said:

Context

If you haven't been reading, and just thought you'd pounce on somebody, there was talk of dreadnoughts like the Bellator. I joined in by mentioning the Assertor, though I doubt FFG would include a ship simply because it appeared in the RPG line.

Earlier in this conversation I even mentioned Thrawn. Not physically big, but big from the perspective of many Star Wars fans if he arrived as a commander.

Frankly, I'd be happy if the biggest miniature ever made for Armada was the ISD. But I am biased as that is my favorite capital ship.

I was skimming, and took the opportunity of your comment to ask the question that had been on my mind for a while. I realize that some have suggested other things, but the majority were focusing on large models (doesn't have to be the SSD). Talk of dreadnaughts is still talk of large models, after all.

The question was more of a general thing, with a quote to indicate my point. Perhaps I chose the wrong user and didn't phrase it right. Your wording is what prompted it.

Anyways, as you answered - what would you consider 'something big', other than the literal interpretation of 'big' as a model? Thrawn I can see. A new Campaign? Would it be 'big' or 'standard'. Is 'big' perhaps hyperbole?

1 hour ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

The Liberty has 5 shields in the front.

Yeah, but entire PLANETS, bunches of them, paid for the Rebellion ships, and some donated their cities (Mon Cal). I don't think the scum syndicates had those resources. Sure, they could probably buy two or three star destroyers each, but why? Their focus is trade, piracy, and theft. They have no need for capital ships, and those things are expensive to run (look at Booster Terrik's red ISD from the X-Wing series).

Scum could afford capital ships, but not enough to worry either the empire or the rebellion, and it makes no economical sense for the scum to get them.

Didn't the black sun have a fleet? Also would be a great way to get a lot of prequel era ships, like they scavenge for old ships, repair and put into action, like to protect some ultra valuale cargo, or to impose a planet into submisson and enforcement for the people "to pay for their protection from the Empire", so it isn't an absolutely senseless idea

2 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Anyways, as you answered - what would you consider 'something big', other than the literal interpretation of 'big' as a model? Thrawn I can see. A new Campaign? Would it be 'big' or 'standard'. Is 'big' perhaps hyperbole?

If big were literal, I'd rather it was The Last Jedi related with the release of a Resurgent. The first Epic without going to over the top. But in my own mind that shouldn't happen until after Episode IX.

Big could be a Rogue One release. White ISD, MC75 and Squadrons which include Krennic's shuttle and U-Wings. This wouldn't be a miniature heavy squadron pack, but have cards for the Scarif pilots. This one would be my favorite option, and the ISD could have Thrawn too.

Where do I start with the campaigns?

Birth of the Rebellion, bringing in lots from Rebels and Rogue One. Lots of cool cards, locations ranging from Lothal to Scarif. This could tie in to some squadron releases of Krennic's shuttle, Tie Advanced Prototype, UWing, Phantom II, and perhaps two new flotilla's: a Rebel C-Roc Gozanti and those Empire transports from R1. Perhaps a "veterans" style release with blue CR90s too.

Oh yeah and a 6x3 SSD gaming mat, with perhaps some "scenery" pieces for the bridge etc, would be awesome. Between us I'd rather that than a shrunken too far SSD that looks silly even in sliding scale.

Can't wait to see what FFG announce.

Not hedging my bets on it, but still awaiting Clone Wars factions. Maybe this will be the time, but I doubt it.

Although seeing Quad Battery Turrets got me excited and made me wonder....

1 hour ago, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:

Not hedging my bets on it, but still awaiting Clone Wars factions. Maybe this will be the time, but I doubt it.

Although seeing Quad Battery Turrets got me excited and made me wonder....

Do keep in mind that several cards have SSDs in them, and the alt-art Turbolaser Reroute Circuits card has the Turbolasers on the Raider, which doesn't have that slot. Card art is probably chosen for coolness factor, rather than as a foreshadowing of future products.

1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Do keep in mind that several cards have SSDs in them, and the alt-art Turbolaser Reroute Circuits card has the Turbolasers on the Raider, which doesn't have that slot. Card art is probably chosen for coolness factor, rather than as a foreshadowing of future products.

Very true. But still, they could have had an artist draw one on a rebel ship or a star destroyer, yet they chose a Lucrehulk...... I know, I know, art is chosen by coolness factor.

Still like to dream though.

1 hour ago, Visovics said:

Didn't the black sun have a fleet? Also would be a great way to get a lot of prequel era ships, like they scavenge for old ships, repair and put into action, like to protect some ultra valuale cargo, or to impose a planet into submisson and enforcement for the people "to pay for their protection from the Empire", so it isn't an absolutely senseless idea

They had a fleet, IIRC, but of frigate type ships. One of Talon Karrde's associates in the Thrawn trilogy had 40 ships, but none bigger than a CR90, and Karrde had a similar racket, and these are professional, Galaxy-wide businesses who dabble in illegal and illegal business, and aren't hunted by the Empire or Rebellion. They are rich enough to buy most of a planet, more or less, but don't. Nor do they spend the money buying Warships.

Think about it. You're a galaxy-wide illegal business whose main focus is looting, robbing, swindling and trading. Of what use is even a Venator? Millions to buy (~59 new), thousands to maintain, requiring a massive crew, and dangerous enough that governments will do their best to keep an eye on its whereabouts. What would you do with it? Trade? Too slow and obvious. Pirate? Maybe, but it's still slow to catch the prey you're likely to go after.

Better to get 20 CR90-sized ships and live in luxury.

Even then, 1 Venator - hardly enough to warrant a whole faction in Armada.

14 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Even then, 1 Venator - hardly enough to warrant a whole faction in Armada.

But enough to warrent another faction in Armada.... you know which one I'm talking about.

The only scale FFG got right is XWing. Armada models are way too big to allow for all of the pieces players want (SSD, Death Star, etc).

Same holds true for their new Legion. How are we going to play out the Hoth battle when 1 ATAT would be 3 feet long and high, and you need 5+ of them??!?? Grrrrrrrr

Both Armada and Legion would have been more .... epic with minis of 1/3 size of what they are, or preferably smaller.

13 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

They had a fleet, IIRC, but of frigate type ships. One of Talon Karrde's associates in the Thrawn trilogy had 40 ships, but none bigger than a CR90, and Karrde had a similar racket, and these are professional, Galaxy-wide businesses who dabble in illegal and illegal business, and aren't hunted by the Empire or Rebellion. They are rich enough to buy most of a planet, more or less, but don't. Nor do they spend the money buying Warships.

Think about it. You're a galaxy-wide illegal business whose main focus is looting, robbing, swindling and trading. Of what use is even a Venator? Millions to buy (~59 new), thousands to maintain, requiring a massive crew, and dangerous enough that governments will do their best to keep an eye on its whereabouts. What would you do with it? Trade? Too slow and obvious. Pirate? Maybe, but it's still slow to catch the prey you're likely to go after.

Better to get 20 CR90-sized ships and live in luxury.

Even then, 1 Venator - hardly enough to warrant a whole faction in Armada.

True, so maybe a pirate fleet? We know of that there was that one in the times of battle of Jakku that had an entire SSD and kept recruiting more and more ships along with anyone in the crew willing to join. I mean, they had an SSD, what stops them from having ships like the Morpheus (don't look up people, I made that ship up for a mafia game, it's an ISD) or warships?

Hmm... something big...

SSD

Clone Wars Starter set

New trilogy Starter set

2nd Campaign set

Rebel Starter set

Imperial Starter set

Third Faction starter set.

More squadron packs

More ships

Space stations/Shield gate models (looking at you Golan )

A campaign tie in rule set, that combines Armada, X-wing, IA/Legion and Rebellion into one massive Galactic conflict game.

Death Star Okay that may be a bit too big

Oh... the options are many, please tell what other big things I may have missed

Just now, Kiwi Rat said:

A campaign tie in rule set, that combines Armada, X-wing, IA and Rebellion into one massive Galactic conflict game.

Not IA, obviously they are waiting the release of Legion to do that

2 minutes ago, Kiwi Rat said:

Hmm... something big...

SSD

Clone Wars Starter set

Yes to the first. Even more yes to the second.

38 minutes ago, Kiwi Rat said:

Oh... the options are many, please tell what other big things I may have missed

A new FAQ

4 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

A new FAQ

An FAQ is not a product per say, you pay money for, so no it can't be something big, that we want to throw money at.

Nice try though

34 minutes ago, Kiwi Rat said:

An FAQ is not a product per say, you pay money for, so no it can't be something big, that we want to throw money at.

Nice try though

But it is still something big. Actually bigger than several waves knowing how much time passed to get the last. And you didn't talk about money

Wookies are pretty big. Maybe, we get the Falcon's famous space puppy as an officer upgrade card!

Think FFG is reading this and having a good laugh over us going nuts trying to figure out what is coming?

2 minutes ago, Battlefleet 01 Studios said:

Think FFG is reading this and having a good laugh over us going nuts trying to figure out what is coming?

They did announce that they do pay attention to the forums with X-wing, although given we only had 10 seconds, not sure if they read here ;-; If anyone from FFG is reading please give us a sign that you care about us T.T

1 hour ago, Visovics said:

True, so maybe a pirate fleet? We know of that there was that one in the times of battle of Jakku that had an entire SSD and kept recruiting more and more ships along with anyone in the crew willing to join. I mean, they had an SSD, what stops them from having ships like the Morpheus (don't look up people, I made that ship up for a mafia game, it's an ISD) or warships?

I never really liked that aspect of the new canon. . .

Anyways, there are several issues with that suggestion:

1) Those are still Imperial vessels, so nothing new to Armada
2) SSDs cost billions to make, likely millions to upkeep. If the pirates had it, it's unlikely that they had it for long, or that it was fully operational. The fact that they were able to crew it and other ships makes no sense. A quarter of a million men are required to fully man the SSD, 50,000 minimum . What pirate crew can afford to upkeep a 19k kilometer vessel, it's 50k crew, and other ships? 37,085 men are required to fully man an ISD. That's a ridiculous amount of men for a pirate group to have. At that point, you're a Warlord. Morpheus was 1 of 20, right? A pirate crew obtaining 20 functional ISDs is unlikely, expensive, and something that the Empire would dedicate substantial resources to put down ASAP. Heck, once they got one it would be a concern. No government would let state-of-the-art weapons that cost millions each fall into hostile (not just private - they're pirates) hands and not act immediately. Nebulon-Bs, and Corvettes were put down as 'pirate scum' in Rebels. How much more an entire ISD?

Basically, the issues are the expense, and the fact that all canon appearances are of stolen Star Destroyers. Expense is the main part. You'd need millions or even billions to buy it, thousands, maybe millions, to run it fully, and thousands of crew on top of that. That's 1 vessel. For that price you can a run a hundred (maybe. Definitely dozens) small, frigate/corvette size ships, covering more area, getting more done, and hiding them all far easier. You can't pull up next to a planet with an ISD and ask your informants where the richest trade routes are. Nor can you easily catch dozens of target vessels with 1 large and slow one in a raid. You want them whole, remember. Ships the target's size are required. There's a reason those groups that obtained such vessels sold them to established governments ASAP. They're expensive ships to maintain, dangerous to fly about, and not suited to your business model.

. . . that's my rather unprofessional opinion anyway. . .

7 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Yeah, but entire PLANETS, bunches of them, paid for the Rebellion ships, and some donated their cities (Mon Cal). I don't think the scum syndicates had those resources. Sure, they could probably buy two or three star destroyers each, but why? Their focus is trade, piracy, and theft. They have no need for capital ships, and those things are expensive to run (look at Booster Terrik's red ISD from the X-Wing series).

Scum could afford capital ships, but not enough to worry either the empire or the rebellion, and it makes no economical sense for the scum to get them.

The SW galaxy has millions of planets, so I'm not sure the all caps really provides much of a point. Why can Scum not have those levels of resources?

I think it's a mistake to think of Scum syndicates as analogous to the small non-state actors that we have in our world, where cartels such as Los Zetas are at the upper end of the scale. The Empire is a hegemonic political entity, which doesn't care about extending the rule of law to the outskirts of galactic civilization, because it is not all that committed to the rule of law. There is a lot of room for semi-rogue regimes that have a modus operandi with the Imperial government.

Take Hutt Space, for instance: are you suggesting that the Hutts are 1) not a scum faction, AND 2) not capable of massing fleets? Why not?? They govern a gigantic swathe of galactic territory (Hutt Space), and they have many more areas outside of that (e.g. Tatooine) under their sway.

4 hours ago, Thraug said:

Same holds true for their new Legion. How are we going to play out the Hoth battle when 1 ATAT would be 3 feet long and high, and you need 5+ of them??!?? Grrrrrrr

The WOTC minis At at was 18 long and 14 high and the scale of figs was larger than IA. I think this is overreaction.

5 hours ago, Kiwi Rat said:

Spac e stations/Shield gate models (looking at you Golan )

I'd love to have some Space Station models. Shield Gate too.

My money is on new Starter Set and maybe even a revamp of the rules, Armada 2.0!! My money......by that I mean the FFG deduction on my paycheck that I think we all make!

Ok, crazy wish but they are releasing special edition BSG set... only a dream.......