1 hour ago, Stay On The Leader said:

It's an explosive harpoon. That only explodes when you shoot it. Because plot device.

Maybe it sticks and has a timer. When you suffer a crit, it is assumed the timer has ended.

3 minutes ago, Verlaine said:

Maybe it sticks and has a timer. When you suffer a crit, it is assumed the timer has ended.

Schrodingers Detonator

3 hours ago, Stay On The Leader said:

It's an explosive harpoon. That only explodes when you shoot it. Because plot device.

To detonate, please strike with additional harpoon.

14 hours ago, phild0 said:

1.5 years ago we all wanted better Ordnance.

Harpoon is better Ordnance. Cruise Missile is better Ordnance.

Why so much complaining?

many of us did not want better ordinance. i think ordinance should have been epic only, since it doesnt exist in dogfighting

6 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

many of us did not want better ordinance. i think ordinance should have been epic only, since it doesnt exist in dogfighting

Decades of Novels, Electronic Games, Comics and at least a couple of movies would disagree.

and how does a hardoon cable hit exerything in a huge area, doing massive damage, but doest harm the ship the cable is anchored to which fired it. wtf

Just now, Vontoothskie said:

and how does a hardoon cable hit exerything in a huge area, doing massive damage, but doest harm the ship the cable is anchored to which fired it. wtf

There isn't a cable. Just a harpoon. Even in ESB, Luke calls for "Harpoons and tow cables", showing them to be separate items.

2 minutes ago, UnitOmega said:

Decades of Novels, Electronic Games, Comics and at least a couple of movies would disagree.

Star wars dogfighting is based on WW2 dogfighting. air to air missiles were not used in ww2 because they didnt exist. air to air bombs still dont exist. the missiles and torpedoes in star wars are not used agsint fighters, theyre anti-capital ship or base ordinance. it makes no sense balance wise either. they either work and nuke ships in one hit or they arent worth the points. super lame

2 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

Star wars dogfighting is based on WW2 dogfighting. air to air missiles were not used in ww2 because they didnt exist. air to air bombs still dont exist. the missiles and torpedoes in star wars are not used agsint fighters, theyre anti-capital ship or base ordinance. it makes no sense balance wise either. they either work and nuke ships in one hit or they arent worth the points. super lame

I think that a lot of things are changed from the 80s. X-Wing now is not based on WW2.

Actually, I like to see it as an Elite Dangerous board game, with the StarWars skin.

4 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

Star wars dogfighting is based on WW2 dogfighting. air to air missiles were not used in ww2 because they didnt exist. air to air bombs still dont exist. the missiles and torpedoes in star wars are not used agsint fighters, theyre anti-capital ship or base ordinance. it makes no sense balance wise either. they either work and nuke ships in one hit or they arent worth the points. super lame

bombs and missiles in a dogfight... first video i googled.

2 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

There isn't a cable. Just a harpoon. Even in ESB, Luke calls for "Harpoons and tow cables", showing them to be separate items.

no, harpoons and tow cables are two components of the same device. he references both to explain whats happening to the audience. people in star wars dont fire barbed spears through hull plating, they use magnets. i mean where is the spear launcher in the snow speeder schematic? doesnt exist. seperately, a harpoon without a cable is called a spear.

1 minute ago, Icelom said:

bombs and missiles in a dogfight... first video i googled.

Admittedly, that is the only case of bomb use on dog fights, but when you take into account modern armaments, and their use in countless video games, missiles and torps make sense in a dogfighting setting.

3 minutes ago, Icelom said:

bombs and missiles in a dogfight... first video i googled.

hence i said they didnt exist in ww2.

1 minute ago, Vontoothskie said:

hence i said they didnt exist in ww2.

You literally said they are not used against fighters in star wars... so i gave you a clip from he movies.

You are flat out wrong... that is all.

10 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

Star wars dogfighting is based on WW2 dogfighting. air to air missiles were not used in ww2 because they didnt exist. air to air bombs still dont exist. the missiles and torpedoes in star wars are not used agsint fighters, theyre anti-capital ship or base ordinance . it makes no sense balance wise either. they either work and nuke ships in one hit or they arent worth the points. super lame

They are used in starwars for anti fighter... the clip i quoted clearly shows that, your argument is dead.

Just now, Vontoothskie said:

no, harpoons and tow cables are two components of the same device. he references both to explain whats happening to the audience. people in star wars dont fire barbed spears through hull plating, they use magnets. i mean where is the spear launcher in the snow speeder schematic? doesnt exist. seperately, a harpoon without a cable is called a spear.

No, it would still be called a harpoon because that is what it was designed to be. There are differences between Harpoons and spears. And while harpoons and tow cables go together doesn't mean you can't separate them to fulfill a new purpose. This is likely not standard military hardware, but something pirates and rebels had to put together due to limited resources.

Also, here is the harpoon launcher:

And the article on it:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Power_harpoon

And it is said to be tipped with an explosive to fuse the harpoon to its target.

Just now, Icelom said:

You literally said they are not used against fighters in star wars... so i gave you a clip from he movies.

You are flat out wrong... that is all.

They are used in starwars for anti fighter... the clip i quoted clearly shows that, your argument is dead.

you know the text i wrote is on this page here? you quoted it. you misread what i said, read it again. i said it didnt exist in ww2. then i said what theyre for. then i said why they dont work in game balance wise.

you then post a video of asteroids getting hit by bombs to flush out obi wan and his fighter dodging a missile and getting away. youre egos need for a win shouldnt be at play here, but if it has to be, you kinda proved my point. bombs blow up big slow things, missiles have trouble hitting fast dodgy things. if Jango Fetts missiles had gotten a buff, Obiwan would be dead, the empire would live on forever and X-wing never would have happened

5 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

No, it would still be called a harpoon because that is what it was designed to be. There are differences between Harpoons and spears. And while harpoons and tow cables go together doesn't mean you can't separate them to fulfill a new purpose. This is likely not standard military hardware, but something pirates and rebels had to put together due to limited resources.

Also, here is the harpoon launcher:

And the article on it:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Power_harpoon

And it is said to be tipped with an explosive to fuse the harpoon to its target.

yes, that is the harpoon launcher. it shoots magnets. we've all seen the movie. it was also my entire point.

stop changinging the goal posts and either admit you didnt know harpoons use cables, or leave it alone. this is absurd

Just now, Vontoothskie said:

yes, that is the harpoon launcher. it shoots magnets. we've all seen the movie. it was also my entire point.

stop changinging the goal posts and either admit you didnt know harpoons use cables, or leave it alone. this is absurd

Did you read the article? Those harpoons didn't use magnets. Also, you asked for where the "spear" launcher was, and I showed you.

You still aren't providing a good explanation why a _separate_ component can't be removed to change is function.

You are the one who is being absurdly narrow minded about what is possible in a sci-fi world.

I get that fluff is important, to some more than others. But could we please not care as much about what that ordnance card is called in a discussion about the mechanics?

The problem is the mechanics behind it and its potential impact on the game. It does not matter if this card is called unicorn-dung or deathraymissile - that does not change the mechanics.

25 minutes ago, Vontoothskie said:

you know the text i wrote is on this page here? you quoted it. you misread what i said, read it again. i said it didnt exist in ww2. then i said what theyre for. then i said why they dont work in game balance wise.

you then post a video of asteroids getting hit by bombs to flush out obi wan and his fighter dodging a missile and getting away. youre egos need for a win shouldnt be at play here, but if it has to be, you kinda proved my point. bombs blow up big slow things, missiles have trouble hitting fast dodgy things. if Jango Fetts missiles had gotten a buff, Obiwan would be dead, the empire would live on forever and X-wing never would have happened

You know what else they didn't have in ww2? Little Astro mech droid for in flight repair, shields, lasers that destroy opposing fighters in a shot, and my personal favorite... The force to guide a torpedo. Take your suspension of disbelief else where. You are the only one moving the target.

Edit: Also since the days of Xwing and tie fighter PC games, there have been bombs and ordinance used in dog fights.

bombs make a ton of sense in a dogfight. If your opponent is trying to corkscrew around you, drop a bomb. He either flys away and isnt on your tail now, or eats a bomb to the face.
Missiles are used quite a bit because theyre guided , its much harder to evade a missile w/o jamming technology than it is a human manning a gun turret.
Torpedos are the one that kinda dont make any sense in a dogfight but then again starwars in general doesnt make any sense. Most space-flicks with torpedos has them as slow-moving but incredibly deadly ordnance countered by PD systems, Starwars treats them exactly like missiles it seems.

46 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

Did you read the article? Those harpoons didn't use magnets. Also, you asked for where the "spear" launcher was, and I showed you.

You still aren't providing a good explanation why a _separate_ component can't be removed to change is function.

You are the one who is being absurdly narrow minded about what is possible in a sci-fi world.

"a harpoon is a long spear -like instrument used in fishing , whaling , sealing , and other marine hunting to catch fish or large marine mammals such as whales . It accomplishes this task by impaling the target animal and securing it with barb or toggling claws, allowing the fishermen to use a rope or chain attached to the butt of the projectile to catch the animal. A harpoon can also be used as a weapon ."

a harpoon without a cable is a spear. theres ya go.

also you keep changing the goal posts of what is being argued. the article you showed demonstrates that there is a singular device which fires the harpoon and that there is not a second device which hurls spears. since i said that was the case, yes? and what are you even arguing here? im saying the game mechanic has no correlation with what a harpoon does(ie pierce and restrict movement). what is your point?

In which this is now a discussion about modern maritime fishing techniques.

Carry on!

51 minutes ago, Hujoe Bigs said:

You know what else they didn't have in ww2? Little Astro mech droid for in flight repair, shields, lasers that destroy opposing fighters in a shot, and my personal favorite... The force to guide a torpedo. Take your suspension of disbelief else where. You are the only one moving the target.

Edit: Also since the days of Xwing and tie fighter PC games, there have been bombs and ordinance used in dog fights.

dude stop changing what im saying to make me out like im anti X-wing. its ****** up.

I made my own card in eons called "mag lock harpoon" last year. its lots of fun, reduces agility by to 1 and gives a stress but they can ditch it as an action. i did that cause its my favorite non blaster weapon in star wars. chill the **** out man.

the mechanic of "harpoon missile" is power creep and thematic nonsense. too much damage too easy and doesnt affect mobility. im entitled to that opinion, even if you disagree.

im also entitled to think that a universe based on P-51 mustangs and mescherschimdts in space should involve blasters. seriously what the **** is wrong withyou man? you dont need to defeat my opinons dude

This thread got way off track.

Has anyone mentioned flying their harpooned swarm into the enemy ships to share the splash damage? I can't wait to do that.