How does this work? Can I "steal" a TLT hit by drawing the dice results to another ship before they're cancelled?

No.

You should notice that both of those upgrades require the target to be "hit" before they can do anything. Now I guess there is some discussion about if they could draw the dice result before they are cancelled but even if they can be it will do you no good as the ship that was "hit" by the attack will still suffer the point of damage something like TLT or Ion Turret/Cannon cause the target to suffer.

2 hours ago, StevenO said:

No.

You should notice that both of those upgrades require the target to be "hit" before they can do anything. Now I guess there is some discussion about if they could draw the dice result before they are cancelled but even if they can be it will do you no good as the ship that was "hit" by the attack will still suffer the point of damage something like TLT or Ion Turret/Cannon cause the target to suffer.

Aha. I thought there was something in the wording that I was missing. Thanks.

The word "hit" gets thrown around so many places it's pretty reasonable for someone to get the various uses mixed up. Maybe not as much now but some of use use boom and kaboom to refer to certain results on the red dice instead of the more common hit/crit simply because hit and crit are sometimes misunderstood.

Worth noting perhaps that technically you CAN use them but doing so doesn't prevent the hit happening so the TLT damage still occurs. It's rare you'd want to, indeed the only case where you might would be Quickdraw with DTF.

28 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Worth noting perhaps that technically you CAN use them but doing so doesn't prevent the hit happening so the TLT damage still occurs. It's rare you'd want to, indeed the only case where you might would be Quickdraw with DTF.

I'm not sure that will do anything anyway as the "crit" you are taking to suffer will still be cancelled and thus there is nothing left to trigger Quickdraw if that was the thought.

I seem to recall this coming up before, and an email ruling came through saying that DtF (and thus by extension Seflessness) couldn't be used at all. I'll try hunting through the forum for it.

9 hours ago, StevenO said:

I'm not sure that will do anything anyway as the "crit" you are taking to suffer will still be cancelled and thus there is nothing left to trigger Quickdraw if that was the thought.

DtF triggers slightly earlier in the sequence.

They share the same trigger window, so they are resolved in order of initiative. As it was already said, it's only relevant in case of quickdraw

12 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

21 hours ago, StevenO said:

I'm not sure that will do anything anyway as the "crit" you are taking to suffer will still be cancelled and thus there is nothing left to trigger Quickdraw if that was the thought.

DtF triggers slightly earlier in the sequence.

Please explain.

When I look at it I see Quickdraw will trigger when he loses a Shield. I don't see any way that DTF would allow Quickdraw to pull a crit and cause the loss of a shield to trigger it as you'd be cancelling the die result before the shield loss ever happens. What am I missing here that would allow this to work?

DtF triggers when the attack hits. TLT cancels the dice after the attack hits. When QD's attack then takes place is immaterial.

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

DtF triggers when the attack hits. TLT cancels the dice after the attack hits. When QD's attack then takes place is immaterial.

Still not seeing it. When I look I see QD needs to LOSE A SHIELD before his attack takes place. How does he lose a shield if the dice getting pulled by DTF gets cancelled before the shield can actually be lost?

Ok im with you. Yeah good point.

You can DTF the crit but it will then be cancelled without costing her a shield.

Good shout.