3 hours ago, Dengar5 said:

I'm still happy that ordnance has been fixed.

I would say partially fixed. Until they give ships with useless single torpedo and missile slots(x-wings, a-wings, Tie advanced for example) reloads or other options it still leaves a hole in the fix. For the price you pay for a 1 shot weapon the slot is not worth it.

The one problem that I think we will soon see is the mines and bomb maze that is growing. We seem to be approaching a influx of bomb laying, too the front, to the rear, to the left, to the right. A bomblet generator, with unlimited bombs( and we cant get missile and torpedo reloads)

8 hours ago, ThalanirIII said:

2. I've had the opposite experience with events. The community I've met has been great, and there's even an increase in fun when they're playing top tables at regionals (I don't make it up there but I'll watch them, and it's impressive). Nothing's cutthroat - everybody wants to win, and there's banter - but everyone's mates. So yeah... fun - try it some time

I love it when I'm told my personal experience is wrong.

...or that people experience different things...?

2 hours ago, Slugrage said:

I love it when I'm told my personal experience is wrong.

I didn't say that. Funny that different people have different experiences.

If you want me to tell you your personal experience is wrong, I will: Your personal experience is wrong!

Consider how many people go to regional+ events: In the UK, we have about 5 regionals and maybe 40% of players go to 3 of them, each with average 100 players - this predicts a maximum of 700 players. We also have Yavin (which in 2016 was the largest X wing event ever with 415ish players) and Nationals, plus European Championships this year was held here. I'd probably guess the competitive UK X wing community is about 800 players - and of those, there are probably about 300 who go to many events. All this apparent humble-bragging and possibly naive assumptions goes to demonstrate that at least 300 and closer 800 players enjoy the competitive scene in the UK - showing that your personal experience (while it may not be in the UK, I'm assuming the US is broadly similar).

Hence, your personal experience is not the norm (as evidenced by everyone who enjoys the atmosphere) and statistically is somewhat insignificant. Of course, it's possible that lots of people going to these events might not actually want to go, in which case your experience is not necessarily insignificant. However, people have to buy these tickets. So it's safe to assume they buy tickets because they enjoy it.

We don't have figures to calculate how many people went to one tournament and then stopped because they didn't enjoy it - but as tournament numbers have stayed constant or risen, I think we can assume most people enjoy them.

8 hours ago, Stoneface said:

And your point is?

I thought that was obvious. You can't ignore the meta. That would be like a military commander ignoring all developments in weapons technology.

I really enjoy playing X-Wing

so do the people I play against

I'm sure some people don't like it, or used to like more before in some golden period viewed through rose-tinted glasses, but that's up to them.

If you enjoy it then great.... if you don't go find something else to do with your time. Either way, stay happy :-).

18 minutes ago, MrAndersson said:

I thought that was obvious. You can't ignore the meta. That would be like a military commander ignoring all developments in weapons technology.

Or more accurately that would be like someone playing a game they enjoy, and using what they enjoy, without stressing about what their opponent may or may not be using.

I am very happy to ignore the meta all day long - probably why I will never be "world master", but I wasn't planning to be that anyway. :-)

4 hours ago, MrAndersson said:

I thought that was obvious. You can't ignore the meta. That would be like a military commander ignoring all developments in weapons technology.

Did you read anything past the first comma?

yeah, honestly people get far too worked up about what's dominating the higher tiers of FFG sanctioned tournaments to the point where they sometimes completely overlook still incredibly potent ships such as the x7 and palp shuttle post errata

the meta at the top tables really doesn't mean jack **** unless you're in one of those tournies, or if your local meta is really gungho into net-listing

3 hours ago, ficklegreendice said:

yeah, honestly people get far too worked up about what's dominating the higher tiers of FFG sanctioned tournaments to the point where they sometimes completely overlook still incredibly potent ships such as the x7 and palp shuttle post errata

the meta at the top tables really doesn't mean jack **** unless you're in one of those tournies, or if your local meta is really gungho into net-listing

http://www.meta-wing.com/ship_combos?ranking_start=2017-03-17&ranking_end=2017-08-12&large_tournament_multiplier=true&widespread_use_multiplier=true&use_ranking_data=all&tournament_type=&

Meta-Wing suggests that people aren't ignoring the TIE/x7 - although it could be higher if more people used it, but it's clearly in the meta.

19 minutes ago, ThalanirIII said:

http://www.meta-wing.com/ship_combos?ranking_start=2017-03-17&ranking_end=2017-08-12&large_tournament_multiplier=true&widespread_use_multiplier=true&use_ranking_data=all&tournament_type=&

Meta-Wing suggests that people aren't ignoring the TIE/x7 - although it could be higher if more people used it, but it's clearly in the meta.

that I know

I was referring more to people on the forums that like to exaggerate the imapct the errata had on them

10 hours ago, ThalanirIII said:

I didn't say that. Funny that different people have different experiences.

If you want me to tell you your personal experience is wrong, I will: Your personal experience is wrong!

Consider how many people go to regional+ events: In the UK, we have about 5 regionals and maybe 40% of players go to 3 of them, each with average 100 players - this predicts a maximum of 700 players. We also have Yavin (which in 2016 was the largest X wing event ever with 415ish players) and Nationals, plus European Championships this year was held here. I'd probably guess the competitive UK X wing community is about 800 players - and of those, there are probably about 300 who go to many events. All this apparent humble-bragging and possibly naive assumptions goes to demonstrate that at least 300 and closer 800 players enjoy the competitive scene in the UK - showing that your personal experience (while it may not be in the UK, I'm assuming the US is broadly similar).

Hence, your personal experience is not the norm (as evidenced by everyone who enjoys the atmosphere) and statistically is somewhat insignificant. Of course, it's possible that lots of people going to these events might not actually want to go, in which case your experience is not necessarily insignificant. However, people have to buy these tickets. So it's safe to assume they buy tickets because they enjoy it.

We don't have figures to calculate how many people went to one tournament and then stopped because they didn't enjoy it - but as tournament numbers have stayed constant or risen, I think we can assume most people enjoy them.

But my personal experience might be insignificant is what you're implying.

Just a thought:

Your personal experience means everything to you, my personal experience means everything to me

Your personal experience means nothing to me, or a community as a whole. My personal experience (I would assume) means nothing to you.

The "community" (whatever the **** that is) cares about average experiences, or the general trends - the overall view of the world that community defines itself within.

None of this is particular to X-Wing

Welcome to life :-).

13 hours ago, Slugrage said:

But my personal experience might be insignificant is what you're implying.

Sure. It might be. But, as I said, the evidence clearly suggests that it isn't. I fully admit that my analysis might miss the secret anti-meta cabal of people who hate tournaments... but it's somewhat unlikely.