Good point. Just trying to work out a starting point for mental analysis of cards, like in Conquest where we decided that 2 resources = 1 card, at least till the meta shifted.
Clearly the analysis is always going to be tricky, and no amount of theorycrafting will predict emergence from a complex system. Just looking for a starting point.
It helps too that there's at least a couple card draw effects baked into the Unicorn cards. Obviously that's also situational, but it's additional options to potentially draw cards without spending honor to do so.
7 minutes ago, Prepare for War said:Good point. Just trying to work out a starting point for mental analysis of cards, like in Conquest where we decided that 2 resources = 1 card, at least till the meta shifted.
Clearly the analysis is always going to be tricky, and no amount of theorycrafting will predict emergence from a complex system. Just looking for a starting point.
that said, 1 = 1 isn't a bad generalization, but times some cards need to look deeper.
32 minutes ago, Prepare for War said:I mentioned on the other thread, but will repeat here as it's more on topic here.
This is a very good card here, but don't forget the hidden cost.
This game explicitly has an equivalence of 1 card = 1 honour, and the inbuilt honour cost basically makes it 2 honour spent to flip the outcome of a single conflict. That's good, but not exceptional.
Ultimately, turning around the outcome of a conflict is the baseline of what we expect any event to do, it's just a question of how reliably it does this, and the price point.
The game does not have this explicit equivalence. There are times when 1 card = 1 honor. There are times when card draw is completely independent of honor. Drawing this comparison is a false equivalency and repeating it will only instill bad card evaluation practices into the community over time.
7 minutes ago, Zesu Shadaban said:It helps too that there's at least a couple card draw effects baked into the Unicorn cards. Obviously that's also situational, but it's additional options to potentially draw cards without spending honor to do so.
I'm going to play with Imperial Storehouses for extra drawing.
4 minutes ago, Wintersong said:I'm going to play with Imperial Storehouses for extra drawing.
Favored position for extra movement. (All the movement)
I was trying to come up with something like "Our horses do the talking", but now all I can think about is Mr. Ed.
1 minute ago, Casanunda said:I was trying to come up with something like "Our horses do the talking", but now all I can think about is Mr. Ed.
A horse is a horse of course, of course,
unless of course, that horse is Mr. Ed.
1 hour ago, Joe From Cincinnati said:The game does not have this explicit equivalence. There are times when 1 card = 1 honor. There are times when card draw is completely independent of honor. Drawing this comparison is a false equivalency and repeating it will only instill bad card evaluation practices into the community over time.
Fair point.
Always been impressed with your AGOT thoughts, btw. Happy to see you playing this game.
Edit: ****, just had a thought. Random JC, are you JC Wamma?
Edited by Prepare for War1 hour ago, RandomJC said:Favored position for extra movement. (All the movement)
We don't even know what it does!
Just now, RandomJC said:A horse is a horse of course, of course,
unless of course, that horse is Mr. Ed.
STOP IT! Now I'm going to be humming it all day. Makes it harder to pretend to be young.
1 minute ago, Casanunda said:We don't even know what it does!
STOP IT! Now I'm going to be humming it all day. Makes it harder to pretend to be young.
Thought there was some sort of spoil that at least gave it's details.
2 minutes ago, Prepare for War said:Fair point.
Always been impressed with your AGOT thoughts, btw. Happy to see you playing this game.
Edit: ****, just had a thought. Random JC, are you JC Wamma?
L5R was where I began my competitive gaming life, so I'm really excited to pick it back up again :D.
I am not sure, but I don't think Wamma is going to be playing this game. At least not yet. But maybe he's watching secretly haha.
Man, Wamma was my cardgaming hero for a bit, before I moved onto hero-worshipping Kingsley. Shame how that turned out.
I know a lot of my UK friends from Conquest are moving to Five Rings. Hoping to see lots of familiar faces at tourney.
6 minutes ago, Prepare for War said:Edit: ****, just had a thought. Random JC, are you JC Wamma?
Is JC Wamma someone who is liked? Then yes.
(Sorry, but no. Long long time ago, I was just Random. Then it morphed to RandomJC. I'm also Random Ide on discord)
7 minutes ago, RandomJC said:Thought there was some sort of spoil that at least gave it's details.
I thought the only image was the far-off one in the showcase.
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/legend-five-rings-showcase/
Quick, get out your Spyglass! All I can tell is that it has +1 Str and it isn't Imperial Storehouse.
Edited by CasanundaPost your reaction the first time unicorn plays Cavalry Reserves, then uses that lion card to add 1 fate to them. I'll go first.
Awesome looking clan. The one issue that jumps out at me is that because they dishonor themselves, their strategy revolves around breaking provinces and winning military conflicts, and they want to close the game out as fast as possible, wouldn't that put them at an overwhelming disadvantage against the Crab?
I haven't had the chance to actually play yet, but what would be the Unicorn gameplan there?
Just now, Antifinity said:Awesome looking clan. The one issue that jumps out at me is that because they dishonor themselves, their strategy revolves around breaking provinces and winning military conflicts, and they want to close the game out as fast as possible, wouldn't that put them at an overwhelming disadvantage against the Crab?
I haven't had the chance to actually play yet, but what would be the Unicorn gameplan there?
Horribly so.
4 minutes ago, RandomJC said:Horribly so.
*FLEX*!!
7 minutes ago, Kuni Katsuyoshi said:*FLEX*!!
...*like*
1 minute ago, RandomJC said:...*like*
Back at ya?
2 hours ago, Prepare for War said:I mentioned on the other thread, but will repeat here as it's more on topic here.
This is a very good card here, but don't forget the hidden cost.
This game explicitly has an equivalence of 1 card = 1 honour, and the inbuilt honour cost basically makes it 2 honour spent to flip the outcome of a single conflict. That's good, but not exceptional.
Ultimately, turning around the outcome of a conflict is the baseline of what we expect any event to do, it's just a question of how reliably it does this, and the price point.
This card is situational - but it has the ability to be worth far more than its cost. Compare this to the 0 cost 2/- and -/2 equips. Could 2 of those cards flip any battle? If you consider 1 honor = 1 card then 1 card + 1 honor = 2 cards. Could this card reliably be >+4 effect on a battle? If so, then by your measure it is still strong.
I think the strongest thing isn't its ability to simply give a stat boost. The biggest thing it does is allow you to double up on MIL conflicts. We have abilities for both types of conflicts, and the game already spreads resources so thin - if you are a clan like Unicorn, Crab, or Lion who are more specialists in the MIL type this card allows you to re-use certain core elements like Sashimono, Way of the Lion, For Greater Glory, ect. It would also bow and send home any characters with a - in POL.
So depending on your stats and your opponents stats the card can be from okay to GREAT!
The card's cost is identical to Banzai, and I don't see anyone complaining about that card.
2 minutes ago, Casanunda said:The card's cost is identical to Banzai, and I don't see anyone complaining about that card.
because this card isn't neutral. 