we have 5 out of 9 claimed, it's totally possible all are telling the truth. Best way to verify is to try a coordinated night plan, and where it goes wrong we know there is a scum conspiracy. Anyone against?
[MAFIA] The Bowels of Coruscant
2 minutes ago, Visovics said:we have 5 out of 9 claimed, it's totally possible all are telling the truth. Best way to verify is to try a coordinated night plan, and where it goes wrong we know there is a scum conspiracy. Anyone against?
Sounds good Vis
1 minute ago, Visovics said:we have 5 out of 9 claimed, it's totally possible all are telling the truth. Best way to verify is to try a coordinated night plan, and where it goes wrong we know there is a scum conspiracy. Anyone against?
I'm interested. Do you have specific thoughts about a plan?
4 minutes ago, WigTii said:I'm interested. Do you have specific thoughts about a plan?
Well, If Broba went to confirm JJ
Toad could go for anyone other than JJ or truth to confirm
Your protection we keep to your choice (obvious reasons)
Truth would be a problem but as long as we know who he targets we can adapt
And mine also remains secret for obvious reasons again
If things go well, Broba is alive, JJ is clean, Toad has read on someone else, thus a clean town. And obviously if Pod is alive than truth has lied and we hang him. This is what comes to my head, thoughts?
4 minutes ago, Visovics said:Well, If Broba went to confirm JJ
Toad could go for anyone other than JJ or truth to confirm
Your protection we keep to your choice (obvious reasons)
Truth would be a problem but as long as we know who he targets we can adapt
And mine also remains secret for obvious reasons again
If things go well, Broba is alive, JJ is clean, Toad has read on someone else, thus a clean town. And obviously if Pod is alive than truth has lied and we hang him. This is what comes to my head, thoughts?
That sounds decent enough. It's best not to provide definitive targets for me and Wig since the mafia would just choose whoever we're not helping.
Now we just need to figure out who to hang. Norell and Roc both do not have a claim in a claim crazy set up. So far they're the lowest risk lynches for the town. I'd say we go with one of them.
15 minutes ago, Truthiness said:Now we just need to figure out who to hang. Norell and Roc both do not have a claim in a claim crazy set up. So far they're the lowest risk lynches for the town. I'd say we go with one of them.
If we go that way I'd go with Roc. I know he's knew, but he seems mostly confused and hasn't contributed much to town, and he can still learn in Observer's with the experienced players explaining there with no restriction so he can see why things happen.
And likely Observer's is shouting at me, but the claims snowballed, and this is the best solution I can think of
29 minutes ago, Visovics said:Well, If Broba went to confirm JJ
Toad could go for anyone other than JJ or truth to confirm
Your protection we keep to your choice (obvious reasons)
Truth would be a problem but as long as we know who he targets we can adapt
And mine also remains secret for obvious reasons again
If things go well, Broba is alive, JJ is clean, Toad has read on someone else, thus a clean town. And obviously if Pod is alive than truth has lied and we hang him. This is what comes to my head, thoughts?
Virtually everyone accepts JJ as town. Might Broba confirm someone else?
Without increasing his risk?
Just now, WigTii said:Virtually everyone accepts JJ as town. Might Broba confirm someone else?
May be worth it, if he dies we have a lynch target!
27 minutes ago, Truthiness said:That sounds decent enough. It's best not to provide definitive targets for me and Wig since the mafia would just choose whoever we're not helping.
Yeah, so basically we planning the cops are investigating : P 2 cop results would be great, so let's hope they are telling the truth
Ok, so I've finished my spreadsheet and have a theory to suggest;
The basic theory here is that Ninja, Wig and Pod are mafia.
1. Pod kills Ninja to throw off suspicion about his mafia-ness. Maybe this was lucky or random...either way it's beneficial....killing the tratior makes them look good and killing a townie gets them one step closer to winning.
2. Wig goes Dr. on Pod to protect him from any lucky/random killings against his former mafia. As it turns out this worked in their favor because Mad poisoned Wig.
3. Incidentally, Truthi "swapped" Wig and Pod, but that doesn't change anything in terms of exonerating either one of them (Wig and Pod)
4. Viso "watched" Wig, but nothing about what he saw indicates that they aren't mafiosos; Wig got 'visited' by both Truthi (bus) and Mad (poisoner).
Am I missing something? This seems like it satisfies all known variables, and it would also explain Wig's general sense of "over-explainyness" and Pod's...weirdness.
Plan seems solid to me
1 minute ago, Rocmistro said:2. Wig goes Dr. on Pod to protect him from any lucky/random killings against his former mafia. As it turns out this worked in their favor because Mad poisoned Wig.
3. Incidentally, Truthi "swapped" Wig and Pod, but that doesn't change anything in terms of exonerating either one of them (Wig and Pod)
If they are mafia, then they re lying about their roles and Wig is no doctor, also the bus would switch the poison and the protection, so doesnmt work in their favour. Also, if you are trying to protect your teammate by switching action on him, why throw it against the other teammate?
Possible Cahootz #2: Ninja, Truthi and Broba are scum?
It's been stated several times that Truthi is 'verified' by several people. I can only see him being verified by 1, and that's Broba, who could very well be lying about his "hider" role. Since, somewhere else it was mentioned that it was likely there are 2 mafia players, both this theory and my other one above about Pod and Wig seem to satsify the "number" of scum players.
Please note I'm not actually suggesting Truthi is scum, here. I just don't understand why it's generally considered fact that there are several independent sources vouching for him. Truthi has only one corrobator I can see; Broba. Who else? Viso can claim that he saw Wig and Truthi last night, but does that mean (assuming Viso is telling the truth) that Truthi is not scum?
3 minutes ago, Visovics said:If they are mafia, then they re lying about their roles and Wig is no doctor, also the bus would switch the poison and the protection, so doesnmt work in their favour. Also, if you are trying to protect your teammate by switching action on him, why throw it against the other teammate?
1. Why is that? Is it not possible to be Mafia/Scum AND a doctor at the same time? If that's the case...once again (and I'm sure you're all getting tired of me saying this)...i didn't know that.
2. I don't understand your second part. In this theory/model, they didn't know that Truthi was a bus driver, nor that he could or would swap them. All they knew to do was have a) Pod kill somebody NOT skum and b) Wig do a Dr. action on Pod. If i'm understanding things correctly, they would have had to decide on their actions without the benefit of night chat, so maybe Wig just deferred to a defensive action 'just in case'?
32 minutes ago, Visovics said:If we go that way I'd go with Roc. I know he's knew, but he seems mostly confused and hasn't contributed much to town, and he can still learn in Observer's with the experienced players explaining there with no restriction so he can see why things happen.
I would protest but several people have now told me it would do no good. :-(
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Ok, you know what, i"ll protest:
I'M INNOCENT!!!!
26 minutes ago, Rocmistro said:1. Why is that? Is it not possible to be Mafia/Scum AND a doctor at the same time? If that's the case...once again (and I'm sure you're all getting tired of me saying this)...i didn't know that.
2. I don't understand your second part. In this theory/model, they didn't know that Truthi was a bus driver, nor that he could or would swap them. All they knew to do was have a) Pod kill somebody NOT skum and b) Wig do a Dr. action on Pod. If i'm understanding things correctly, they would have had to decide on their actions without the benefit of night chat, so maybe Wig just deferred to a defensive action 'just in case'?
Well, doctors are normally and even in special weird scenarios, town aligned.
Also, scum do have a chat open to them at night, and they all know each other's roles, and without knowing his role, Truth wouldn't be able to trigger his action (using a double "#" and his action followed by the targets)
Don't worry, you'll pick up interactions as you play 
Just to point out before I go to sleep: I didn't claim because at this point it wouldn't benefit the town and I doN't want to give any more ammo to the scum than they already have with all these claims.
By the way, am I the only one concerned how brilliantly fake Wig's claim can be? Granted, it would make sense to have a doc, especially that there was a poisoner. But with the bus driver now he can claim that he tried to save Pod but failed. I'm gonna re-read Wigs posts tomorrow morning but for me his claim is the most suspicious and I still think there are fake claims out there.
31 minutes ago, Rocmistro said:I would protest but several people have now told me it would do no good. :-(
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Ok, you know what, i"ll protest:
I'M INNOCENT!!!!
Oh my!
Roc caught my ability to read into things. I'm contagious!
So much for doing no harm.
Just a reminder, excessive talking can earn you a vote.
1 minute ago, WigTii said:Just a reminder, excessive talking can earn you a vote.
Not necessarily, look at Pod.
Just now, Visovics said:Not necessarily, look at Pod.
I'm just busting on Roc since he gave me a vote for talking too much.
Alright, well let's see where this takes us. Time for a little more pressure.
##vote Rocmistro
Your lack of a role makes you the least risky for us to lose as a town. Sorry to do this on day two do your first game, but you'll also learn a lot in the lounge.