Tallon roll?

It's like it says on his card. Treat a turn, bank or S-loop as a Tallon roll instead.

http://xwing-miniatures.wikia.com/wiki/Maneuver

... using which template? Tallon roll on the slight, or the hard turn?

3 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

... using which template? Tallon roll on the slight, or the hard turn?

Read his card. You use the template from the originally revealed manoeuvre, but execute a red T-roll with it.

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If you are not stressed, when you reveal a turn, bank, or Segnor's Loop maneuver, you may instead treat it as a red Tallon Roll maneuver of the same direction [left or right] using the template of the original revealed maneuver.

ok so its a tallon roll on a slight move.

It depends on what manoeuvre you ORIGINALLY revealed. If you revealed a turn , then you use that template. If you revealed a bank or S-loop , then you use that template. Move your ship to the end of the template, then execute the T-roll.

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To achieve this facing, before the player places the ship at the opposite end of the template, he rotates the ship 90º to the left for a Tallon Roll left, or 90º to the right for a Tallon Roll right.

2 hours ago, Blail Blerg said:

ok so its a tallon roll on a slight move.

Exactly. You follow the normal rules for a talon roll (a 90 degree turn in the direction of the maneuver) but suing different template.

3 minutes ago, Magnus Grendel said:

Exactly . You follow the normal rules for a talon roll (a 90 degree turn in the direction of the maneuver) but suing different template.

FTFY

2 hours ago, Parravon said:

FTFY

You removed "exactly" but kept "suing"? Stop taking templates to court!

He has insane movement options. Add Adv Sensors to Barrel Roll before you reveal and with the SV Mk. II title, do a bank BR, then T-Roll whatever maneuver you had selected. Shenanigans!

27 minutes ago, Slugrage said:

He has insane movement options. Add Adv Sensors to Barrel Roll before you reveal and with the SV Mk. II title, do a bank BR, then T-Roll whatever maneuver you had selected. Shenanigans!

At PS 6, every other round at best.

Yay?

2 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

At PS 6, every other round at best.

Yay?

Well, we play for fun around here, and don't have tournament level meta builds jammed up our butts to crap all over everyone else's experience. YMMV.

5 hours ago, Slugrage said:

Well, we play for fun around here, and don't have tournament level meta builds jammed up our butts to crap all over everyone else's experience. YMMV.

So do i. Which is why i like things that work consistently, all the time.

I do like a good "Is it viable" discussion. =)

I'm gonna rec, VI. What builds are you all thinking?

VI, Auto, FCS, Glitterstim?

1 hour ago, Blail Blerg said:

I do like a good "Is it viable" discussion. =)

I'm gonna rec, VI. What builds are you all thinking?

VI, Auto, FCS, Glitterstim?

VI, AT, AdvanSens.

or fly alongside a intel Scout and put Pred on Dalan.

8 hours ago, Blail Blerg said:

I do like a good "Is it viable" discussion. =)

I'm gonna rec, VI. What builds are you all thinking?

VI, Auto, FCS, Glitterstim?

6 hours ago, MegaSilver said:

VI, AT, AdvanSens.

or fly alongside a intel Scout and put Pred on Dalan.

In case it's not implied, Mk 2.

VI AT FCS would be how I'd run him. Probably not Stim, he doesn't want further ways of getting stressed.

You definitely want Advanced Sensors on this guy to maximise movement chicanery. Which means StarViper Mk2 AND Virago. VI & Autothrusters complete the line up at a hefty 33 points.

2 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

You definitely want Advanced Sensors on this guy to maximise movement chicanery. Which means StarViper Mk2 AND Virago. VI & Autothrusters complete the line up at a hefty 33 points.

Personally, I'm not sure you want to throw another three points down the 'only once every other round' rabbit hole.

If only the StarViper had Tech Pattern Analyser could have been written for Dalan.

13 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Personally, I'm not sure you want to throw another three points down the 'only once every other round' rabbit hole.

You wouldn't be, you can use Advanced Sensors every round (unless you're stressed), and it makes him much more unpredicatable in his movements. Also helps prevent you from getting blocked.

6 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

You wouldn't be, you can use Advanced Sensors every round (unless you're stressed), and it makes him much more unpredicatable in his movements. Also helps prevent you from getting blocked.

You would be stressed every time you use his ability, the following round. SO using his ability would turn off your Advanced Sensors for the following round..

18 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

You would be stressed every time you use his ability, the following round. SO using his ability would turn off your Advanced Sensors for the following round..

Of course, but you're not going to use Dalan's ability every other round. You're only going to use it when you need to. And you're going to use advanced sensors when you use his ability, to make sure you get your action.

44 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Of course, but you're not going to use Dalan's ability every other round. You're only going to use it when you need to. And you're going to use advanced sensors when you use his ability, to make sure you get your action.

Or you could pay a point less, use FCS, and use it every time you make an attack.

Paying 3 points to get AS just seems like throwing good money after bad. His ability's already pretty limited without also adding on another 3 points you close yourself off from using every time you use it.

21 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Or you could pay a point less, use FCS, and use it every time you make an attack.

Sure, you can use it every time you make an attack stressed or not, but you only really benefit from it the 2nd time you attack the same ship. The first time you attack a ship, no benefit; if you finish your target off, no benefit; if you end up having to attack a different target the following round, no benefit.

You'd also lose the ability to take an action before you move, meaning you have less protection from blocking tactics, you'd lose the ability to perform an action and use Dalan's ability in the same turn, you'd lose the ability to take an action and perform a Segnor's Loop in the same turn, and effectively almost half your repositioning options by losing the ability to boost or barrel roll before you move, which as the preview shows is an extremely useful ability on a Mk2 StarViper.

It's entirely up to you of course, but there's a reason why Advanced Sensors is more expensive than Fire Control System, and that's because it's better. On a ship with the stacked action bar and built-in movement shenanigans of the StarViper, personally I'd take Advanced Sensors every time.