I bend my knee to this ruling.

I look forward to future civil discussions.

6 hours ago, Gaffa said:

I'm working on a FAQ for the L5R Discord channel (I could post it here if there is interest). I'll just note that this will NOT be the official FFG FAQ (which will come out when they do it).

Posting here would be grand.
Pretty certain there is a large portion of the playerbase that don't use Discord. (or any one platform for that matter).

So I was looking over the rules reference at the Control information, and noticed these very interesting points:

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◊ Unless a duration is specified, a control change persists as long as the card remains in play.

◊ If a card would enter an out-of-play area of a player who does not own the card, the card is placed in its owner’s equivalent out-of-play area instead. (For all associated card ability and framework effect purposes, the card is considered to have entered that opponent’s out-of-play area, and only the physical placement of the card is adjusted.)

So if I'm understanding this right, if you take control of your opponent's character and the control ability doesn't specify an end time (until end of conflict, for example), then when the character is eventually discarded, it'll be considered in YOUR discard pile, even if the card is physically placed in your opponent's discard pile. If that is true, then it means:

You can use recursion effects to bring back opponent's cards that you have previously controlled (insult on top of injury).

You can deny your opponent the ability to use recursion effects on their own cards that you controlled (rubbing salt in the wound).

36 minutes ago, Zesu Shadaban said:

So I was looking over the rules reference at the Control information, and noticed these very interesting points:

So if I'm understanding this right, if you take control of your opponent's character and the control ability doesn't specify an end time (until end of conflict, for example), then when the character is eventually discarded, it'll be considered in YOUR discard pile, even if the card is physically placed in your opponent's discard pile. If that is true, then it means:

You can use recursion effects to bring back opponent's cards that you have previously controlled (insult on top of injury).

You can deny your opponent the ability to use recursion effects on their own cards that you controlled (rubbing salt in the wound).

Not quite for the last 2 points. You are right that if there is no set duration then yes the duration is effectively until the end of the game. What they are saying for the other 2 points isn't that the card is considered to be in your discard pile but that it would be considered to have entered your discard pile. Basically while the card ends up in the owner's pile (and thus can be affected by cards that target their discard pile) for all other effects like things that care about something entering your discard pile it's considered to have entered the pile of player who controlled it.

1 minute ago, Klawtu said:

Not quite for the last 2 points. You are right that if there is no set duration then yes the duration is effectively until the end of the game. That said what they are saying isn't that the card is considered to be in your discard pile but that it would be considered to have entered your discard pile. Basically while the card ends up in the owner's pile (and thus can be affected by cards that target their discard pile) for all other effects like things that care about something entering your discard pile it's considered to have entered the pile of player who controlled it.

Gotcha, thanks for highlighting that. I thought it seemed kind of odd to work that way, but your explanation makes a lot more sense and is definitely less confusing for actual gameplay and tracking board state.