When making characters you can invest into your wealth and talents and money. I really dont know why any body would choose less than 3, but thats not my question. My question or questions are,

1. Are all the action cards and talents taken during creation count towards completing that career?

2. Are you only aloud to take skills out of your primary characteristics to begin with?

3.Could someone explain to me what will happen or what should I do when I rank up.

4. Is ranking up the only time to improve my character?

1. Are all the action cards and talents taken during creation count towards completing that career?

~no, nothing you buy in character creation counts towards completing your career, however, you can still only buy career skills during creation.

2. Are you only aloud to take skills out of your primary characteristics to begin with?

~your careers primary characteristics add +1 to those two characteristics' base during character creation. you can only talk skills listed as career skills during creation.

3.Could someone explain to me what will happen or what should I do when I rank up.

~when you rank up you can buy an additional expertise die for you skills, (1 at rank 1, 2 at rank 2, etc) also some action cards are designated rank #. if your current rank is lower than the rank listed on the card it takes 2 advancements to buy instead of one.

4. Is ranking up the only time to improve my character?

~you may improve you character whenever you are awarded advancements. (so at the end of any play session) i dont know if the rules specifically state this is the only time you can do it, but i would not allow a player to buy a skill mid game because he needs it.

hope this answers you questions.

When making characters you can invest into your wealth and talents and money. I really dont know why any body would choose less than 3, but thats not my question. My question or questions are,

It cost 3 for every one in that row, not 3 points for everything in that row. So if you chose affluent and 4 action cards that would cost you 6 creation points. Hope this helps!

Thank god you told me that or else all my PC's would be kicking major ass and I would not know why

At character creation you can also train skills that are part of your racial background - check out the racial abilities for each race. For instance, dwarves can also train Discipline, Resilience and Weapon skills, regardless of their starting career.

Also, my players found out that it's good to to invest creation points to increase some of your starting characteristics as these significantly improve your chances in a bunch of skills. It's seems more important than action cards or talents which you can later acquire more easily (one every session basically).

Vallenwood said:

I actually don't know now. I was sure it was just that dwarves had more choices but now that you mentioned it - I could be wrong. It could be the dwarf gets 1 of those skill trained for free, though it doesn't specifically say that in chapter 2. However, chapter 3, bottom right of p.27 it gives this example:

A player generating a dwarf from Karak Azgaraz, for example,
would write down the Sturdy, Night Vision, and Grudge abilities,
and keep in mind that he has a racial skill choice to make when
selecting which of his starting skills to train.

Which leads me to believe I was right... the dwarf does not get a free training - just has more choices of which skills to train using creation points.

I believe under Dwarf's racial skill it specifically said, choose one of the following skill to train during character creation.

Sorry I don't have the book with me, but I am trying to run a few of my friends through character creation, and I swear I read those words about 10 times already.

p.24

"during character creation a Karak Azgaraz dwarf may train one of the following basic skills..."

sounds like it's during creation.

Racial skill costs points I believe.

When I read the PC Race section and the racial sidebars for each, it didn't occur to me that Children of Grungni and Orion's Favoured might only unlock the option to train the skills mentioned if the player uses creation points. My reading was you get to train one of the listed skills at creation. But, looking at the High Elf Composure racial ability, the rules specifically call out that they choose a free Focus and no creation points need be expended.

Seems clarification is in order.

I believe someone has already posted this paragraph from "Meet Gurni Thorgrimson" character creation guide:

His 3 point investment in Skills allows him to train 4 skills and start with 2 specialisations. His dwarf racial ability Children of Grungni also allows him to train a skill relied on in dwarf culture. JR decides to use the Children of Grungni ability to train Resilience (he’s a tough ol’ dwarf), then selects four skills from the Dockhand career to train, choosing Athletics, Coordination, Intimidate, and Guile. For specialisations, JR decides that Gurni has worked hard to make the most out of being a Dockhand, and selects Swimming and Excellent Balance as specialisations – choices that have a natural connection to his career (and definitely making Gurni a distinct dwarf).

It this example the dwarf gets 4 trainings from his 3 points invested in Skills and an additional one thanks to Children of Grungni, so in generall 5 trainings.

keltheos said:

But is that "may" as in "does" or "may" as in "is permitted to"?

That is may as in, "Does" as Ra9 posted, the racial training is a free skill that you choose based on race that is chosen independantly from the normal skills spent on character creation.

Additionally, I do not beleive that the opportunity to train these skills for a cost is available at any time. If a Dwarf chooses resilience as his free skill, to do not believe that s/he can then spend one of the skill trainings during character creation to buy weapon training, unless the profession they have allows them too. Continuing, when that same Dwarf reaches Rank 2, they cannot spend advancements to increase resilience or Weapon Skill as a career advancement unless they are listed as In-Profession skills..