7 hours ago, Sasajak said:

Unfortunately this FAQ is not always helpful for Targetting Synchroniser. For example some say Colzet's ability cannot use TS as he isn't performing an attack which is a requirement of TS. It needs its own FAQ rather than this generic one to clear these things up.

Lt Colset is only using the last line of Targeting Synchroniser.

" If a game effect instructs that ship to spend a target lock, it may spend your target lock instead. "

so as long as Colset attacked that target in the combat phase, even though he didnt use a TL, he can spent the TS TL instead of his own for his pilot ability.

1 hour ago, Rakaydos said:

Lt Colset is only using the last line of Targeting Synchroniser.

" If a game effect instructs that ship to spend a target lock, it may spend your target lock instead. "

so as long as Colset attacked that target in the combat phase, even though he didnt use a TL, he can spent the TS TL instead of his own for his pilot ability.

I think the thing is that you have to read the second sentence with the first. The first says "When a friendly ship at Range 1-2 is attacking...". The second sentence refers back to the first by saying "...that ship...". Therefore "that ship" is a friendly one at range 1-2 that is attacking. Colzet can only trigger his ability in the end phase and so isn't making an attack.

1 hour ago, kris40k said:

Order of operations.

The last, and pertinent, part of ATC says specifically, "If you do, you cannot spend target locks during this attack. "

It does not say that you cannot use ATC if target locks have already been spent on the attack . You simply cannot spend target locks during the attack if you choose to use ATC. This prevents you from using Target Locks after you use ATC, as would normally be possible using your own Target Lock had the clause not been in place (ex. Have a lock, use ATC to add a result, then spend the lock to re-roll *buzzer*) Under normal circumstances, spending the lock prior to ATC would result in ATC being unusable (you no longer have the requisite lock). Not so anymore thanks to Targeting Synchonizer.

Since the player gets to determine the order of applying the abilities, there is nothing preventing someone from using a target lock on the attack prior to ATC being involved. Once that has resolved, you can then apply ATC to the attack. From that point on you can no longer spend a target lock during the attack.

Orrrr you don't quote my smiley face

Hmmmm... interesting case. Doesn't seem right but could well be correct.

4 hours ago, eagletsi111 said:

No the guy was using Targeting synchonizer for with Adv Targeting Computer. So Vader could QD target lock along with Omega leader, and neither of them would have to spend it.

Then that's definitely wrong, because that's neither spending the lock, nor getting around an ATTACK: Target Lock restriction, which are the two uses of the card.

12 hours ago, Rakaydos said:

Lt Colset is only using the last line of Targeting Synchroniser.

" If a game effect instructs that ship to spend a target lock, it may spend your target lock instead. "

so as long as Colset attacked that target in the combat phase, even though he didnt use a TL, he can spent the TS TL instead of his own for his pilot ability.

It would work this way if it was written 'When a friendly ship is attacking a ship you have locked or has attacked it this round'. But it's not. You don'[t start reading the card unless you meet its timing trigger, you can't ignore the timing trigger and start halfway through.

For a counterexample using the same logic you're using here: Juke: When attacking, if you have an evade token, you may change 1 of the defender's results into a result.

So, by your logic, I can take an evade as my action, spend it when someone is attacking me, and because I had it this round, use Juke when I'm subsequently attacking them back, right? I met its conditions this round, after all.

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There's nothing written on the card that supports your way of playing TS, so your way is wrong.

The FAQ provides examples of things that are game effects which require you to spend a TL, not things which can be used with TS, because TS has an *additional* requirement over and above 'required to spend a lock', to be friendly to, and attacking a target locked by, the ship which has TS.

12 hours ago, kris40k said:

Order of operations.

The last, and pertinent, part of ATC says specifically, "If you do, you cannot spend target locks during this attack. "

It does not say that you cannot use ATC if target locks have already been spent on the attack . You simply cannot spend target locks during the attack if you choose to use ATC. This prevents you from using Target Locks after you use ATC, as would normally be possible using your own Target Lock had the clause not been in place (ex. Have a lock, use ATC to add a result, then spend the lock to re-roll *buzzer*) Under normal circumstances, spending the lock prior to ATC would result in ATC being unusable (you no longer have the requisite lock). Not so anymore thanks to Targeting Synchonizer.

Since the player gets to determine the order of applying the abilities, there is nothing preventing someone from using a target lock on the attack prior to ATC being involved. Once that has resolved, you can then apply ATC to the attack. From that point on you can no longer spend a target lock during the attack.

I've had this thought since TS first came out. RAI is pretty obviously that it shouldn't work, but RAW I believe it does.

I think I submitted the question to the rules questions line when TS first came out. If I did I never got an answer.

On 31/7/2017 at 5:20 PM, phild0 said:

I have a feeling that if you spend QDs lock first, you can still ATC haha. Someone tell me why not? Lol.

Because ATC says explicitly that you cannot spend any target locks during the whole attack, regardless of the source.

i know that people are trying to cling to any excuse to make it work such as timing charts and what not but the card says 'no target locks during this attack'

doesn't leave much room for debate nor doubts, to me.

On 1/8/2017 at 9:58 AM, thespaceinvader said:

It would work this way if it was written 'When a friendly ship is attacking a ship you have locked or has attacked it this round'. But it's not. You don'[t start reading the card unless you meet its timing trigger, you can't ignore the timing trigger and start halfway through.

For a counterexample using the same logic you're using here: Juke: When attacking, if you have an evade token, you may change 1 of the defender's results into a result.

So, by your logic, I can take an evade as my action, spend it when someone is attacking me, and because I had it this round, use Juke when I'm subsequently attacking them back, right? I met its conditions this round, after all.

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There's nothing written on the card that supports your way of playing TS, so your way is wrong.

The FAQ provides examples of things that are game effects which require you to spend a TL, not things which can be used with TS, because TS has an *additional* requirement over and above 'required to spend a lock', to be friendly to, and attacking a target locked by, the ship which has TS.

I've had this thought since TS first came out. RAI is pretty obviously that it shouldn't work, but RAW I believe it does.

I think I submitted the question to the rules questions line when TS first came out. If I did I never got an answer.

Nay. You could get to choose the order of activating TS first to perform the reroll and then activate ATC to add the crit if only the latter wouldn't have the 'cannot spend target locks during this attack'

"This attack" comprehends all the sub-phases such as modify attack dice by the defender and then the attacker so there is no way whatsoever to work this around.

The only available rerolls for Vader with ATC are Howlrunner and predator, as far as I can remember.