When a friendly ship at Range 1-2 is attacking a ship you have locked, the friendly ship treats the "Attack (target lock):" header as "Attack:" If a game effect instructs that ship to spend a target lock, it may spend your target lock instead.

So has it every been clarified how this works?

Does it work when you spend a target lock. We had a guy use this for 3 rounds at a tournament. Omega leader, Vader and QD, since both OM and Vader don't spend locks they were using his their abilities over and over?

So has this been clarified?

Q: What are examples of game effects that instruct a player to spend a target lock? A: The cost for a secondary weapon such as Proton Torpedoes, using pilot abilities like Lieutenant Colzet, or spending a target lock during the "Modify Attack Dice" step to reroll attack dice are all examples of spending a target lock. Removing a target lock or assigning a blue target lock token to another ship are not examples of spending a target lock.

Ok. So are TO ruled correctly to stop this then. Glad to hear it.

39 minutes ago, eagletsi111 said:

Ok. So are TO ruled correctly to stop this then. Glad to hear it.

Not sure what exactly your original scenario was. If you were asking, can Vader spend QD's target lock to reroll his dice and then also add a crit from Vader's own TL the answer is yes. If he was trying to use QD's TL to add a free Crit the answer is no.

10 minutes ago, varthanna said:

Not sure what exactly your original scenario was. If you were asking, can Vader spend QD's target lock to reroll his dice and then also add a crit from Vader's own TL the answer is yes.

Wrong. ATC does not allow spending any target locks during your attack.

12 minutes ago, varthanna said:

Not sure what exactly your original scenario was. If you were asking, can Vader spend QD's target lock to reroll his dice and then also add a crit from Vader's own TL the answer is yes. If he was trying to use QD's TL to add a free Crit the answer is no.

Similarly, Omega Leader can spend QD's lock to reroll dice without sacrificing his lockdown.

It's quite helpful for pushing his damage higher.

10 minutes ago, varthanna said:

Not sure what exactly your original scenario was. If you were asking, can Vader spend QD's target lock to reroll his dice and then also add a crit from Vader's own TL the answer is yes. If he was trying to use QD's TL to add a free Crit the answer is no.

If i'm understanding QD had the TS and was using his lock for vader's and OL's ability on ships they did not have locked. As the abilities don't have an attack TL header this doesn't work.

35 minutes ago, wurms said:

Wrong. ATC does not allow spending any target locks during your attack.

ATC specifies "you" which in X-Wing rules lingo means that specific ship (Vader). But it's QD's ship spending the target lock, so I thought that circumvents the wording making ATC still work. Or am I parsing that wrong?

I think you are correct, he's wrong.

24 minutes ago, varthanna said:

ATC specifies "you" which in X-Wing rules lingo means that specific ship (Vader). But it's QD's ship spending the target lock, so I thought that circumvents the wording making ATC still work. Or am I parsing that wrong?

Vader can't spend the Lock and still get ATC. Targeting Sync says "it may spend your target lock" which means the ship spending it is the one using it, not the ship that has it.

This ^^

Vader would be spending QDs lock, so he wont get to add a crit if he does.

2 hours ago, Ralgon said:

If i'm understanding QD had the TS and was using his lock for vader's and OL's ability on ships they did not have locked. As the abilities don't have an attack TL header this doesn't work.

The Targeting Synchronizer does not require the attack to have the "Attack (Target Lock):" header in order to resolve the card. "If a game effect instructs that ship " refers to the requirement at the beginning of the card: "a friendly ship at range 1-2 is attacking a ship you have locked."

4 hours ago, RufusDaMan said:

Q: What are examples of game effects that instruct a player to spend a target lock? A: The cost for a secondary weapon such as Proton Torpedoes, using pilot abilities like Lieutenant Colzet, or spending a target lock during the "Modify Attack Dice" step to reroll attack dice are all examples of spending a target lock. Removing a target lock or assigning a blue target lock token to another ship are not examples of spending a target lock.

Is this a direct quote from someone/somewhere? Source?

43 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

Is this a direct quote from someone/somewhere? Source?

FAQ page 22

5 hours ago, eagletsi111 said:

Ok. So are TO ruled correctly to stop this then. Glad to hear it.

Yes. When this came out, people said "its a really wordy chunk of rules, why isnt it just shara bey's rule" and the reason is precisely this: it can exist in the same squad as advanced targeting computers and omega leader. It's still not a bad pairing with OL, because it gives him dice modifiers he wouldn't have otherwise, but he can't use the SFs target locks to claim his own ability.

Indeed - if it wasn't for Omega Leader and ATC, they'd certainly have used the same text as they have on Shara Bey, which is easier to understand: "...may treat your blue target lock tokens as its own".

On the other hand, the following scenario is possible:

QD has a TL and Targeting Synchronizer, another ship wants to shoot a Homing Missile, uses QD's TL for it, then uses QD's TL to reroll the dice of the Homing Missile and spends it.

9 hours ago, RufusDaMan said:

Q: What are examples of game effects that instruct a player to spend a target lock? A: The cost for a secondary weapon such as Proton Torpedoes, using pilot abilities like Lieutenant Colzet, or spending a target lock during the "Modify Attack Dice" step to reroll attack dice are all examples of spending a target lock. Removing a target lock or assigning a blue target lock token to another ship are not examples of spending a target lock.

Unfortunately this FAQ is not always helpful for Targetting Synchroniser. For example some say Colzet's ability cannot use TS as he isn't performing an attack which is a requirement of TS. It needs its own FAQ rather than this generic one to clear these things up.

8 minutes ago, Sasajak said:

Unfortunately this FAQ is not always helpful for Targetting Synchroniser. For example some say Colzet's ability cannot use TS as he isn't performing an attack which is a requirement of TS. It needs its own FAQ rather than this generic one to clear these things up.

Seriously, I have literally no idea why they didn't FAQ the actual card instead of adding a general question that doesn't actually completely answer how it's supposed to work.

Just now, thespaceinvader said:

Seriously, I have literally no idea why they didn't FAQ the actual card instead of adding a general question that doesn't actually completely answer how it's supposed to work.

Frustrating isn't it! But maybe people where asking about the "instructed by a game effect" wording rather than the ATC interaction etc. Before this FAQ some people argued choosing to spend your TL is not being instructed to by a game effect.

I know why they put in that question, it just seems obtuse to put it in rather than to just FAQ the card, given that there's literally only one card in the game that talks about game effects requiring you to spend TLs.

Or, for that matter, why the heck they felt it was useful to obfuscate the whole thing with an example that DOESN'T work with TS.

12 hours ago, wurms said:

Wrong. ATC does not allow spending any target locks during your attack.

I have a feeling that if you spend QDs lock first, you can still ATC haha. Someone tell me why not? Lol.

17 minutes ago, phild0 said:

I have a feeling that if you spend QDs lock first, you can still ATC haha. Someone tell me why not? Lol.

Roll attack dice, spend a target lock via the TS from QD to reroll the dice, then you use ATC to add a result with your own lock.

Yeah, sounds legit.

3 hours ago, phild0 said:

I have a feeling that if you spend QDs lock first, you can still ATC haha. Someone tell me why not? Lol.

ATC doesn't say you cannot spend your target lock it says you cannot spend target locks during the attack if you add a crit. So to add a crit

• ATC requires you to have a target lock
• ATC requires that you don't spend any target lock during the attack (TS is worded that you are spending the target lock when attacking)

How's that?

22 minutes ago, Sasajak said:

How's that?

Order of operations.

The last, and pertinent, part of ATC says specifically, "If you do, you cannot spend target locks during this attack. "

It does not say that you cannot use ATC if target locks have already been spent on the attack . You simply cannot spend target locks during the attack if you choose to use ATC. This prevents you from using Target Locks after you use ATC, as would normally be possible using your own Target Lock had the clause not been in place (ex. Have a lock, use ATC to add a result, then spend the lock to re-roll *buzzer*) Under normal circumstances, spending the lock prior to ATC would result in ATC being unusable (you no longer have the requisite lock). Not so anymore thanks to Targeting Synchonizer.

Since the player gets to determine the order of applying the abilities, there is nothing preventing someone from using a target lock on the attack prior to ATC being involved. Once that has resolved, you can then apply ATC to the attack. From that point on you can no longer spend a target lock during the attack.

16 hours ago, wurms said:

Wrong. ATC does not allow spending any target locks during your attack.

No the guy was using Targeting synchonizer for with Adv Targeting Computer. So Vader could QD target lock along with Omega leader, and neither of them would have to spend it.