34 minutes ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:So it seems this pic if the first order bomber, is from an advertisement from the mobile game Star Wars commander, when it got some units from The Force Awakens. Point here, there currently is NO first order bomber incoming. We have to be excited for the TIE Silencer.
SWCommander must have gotten it from somewhere official. Back to the bomb shelters everyone!! INCOMING F/O BOMBERS!!!!!!!
The X in Wave XII stands for Bomber ReduX!
FO Bomber with a tech slot means I can have a TIE Shuttle (I hope) with T. Sync. + LRS.
Add an officer and you have a great little ordnance coordinator. Feels very Empire to me!
1 hour ago, BlueSquadronPilot said:Maybe it'll come with Mag Pulse Missiles!?
Here is my idea on them.....
Mag Pulse Missiles
(Limited)
ATTACK (TARGET LOCK): Discard this card to perform this attack.
If this attack hits, deal 1 weapons disabled token to the defender. Then cancel all dice results.
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Rules for Mag Pulse Missile
The defender assigned a weapons disabled token from a mag pulse missile may not attack during the next round of play. At the end of the round remove all weapons disabled tokens.
Also thinking a relatively high point cost as it is a strong effect.
Imagine this on a low cost Blount.... Oo
11 minutes ago, Pewpewpew BOOM said:FO Bomber with a tech slot means I can have a TIE Shuttle (I hope) with T. Sync. + LRS .
Add an officer and you have a great little ordnance coordinator. Feels very Empire to me!
Shuttle title removes the torp and missile slots, preventing you from equipping LRS. However, you could potentially have a regular non-shuttle bomber with T.Sync and LRS.
Edited by kris40k4 hours ago, kris40k said:Money. Very explicable.
This has been explained by FFG in their recent interview. They would rather sell new cards then fix old cards via just changing them.
Ships are really just cards. Think about it. How many times have you removed a large base ship during a bumper cars game and just left it off for the rest of the game?
They aren't necessary, they just look cool.
That explains the need for a repaint with new pilots. Not the need for an entirely new ship type.
What you just described is a glorified Aces pack, which is what the TIE/fo should have been, but wasn't, and neither will this.
3 hours ago, Punning Pundit said:I've been saying for a long time that any ship that can equip multiple torpedo upgrades and has the tech slot will be devastating. Consider:
Proton Torpedo:
Change and eyeball to a crit
Guidance Chimp:
Change a result to either a hit or crit depending on how many reds your primary has.Weapons Guidance:
Spend a focus token to flip a miss to a hit.A concussion missile would be even more interesting, as it would let you flip 3 misses into hits.
And my beloved HUTT K-DOGG KILLAH Critter carries a good dozen CM's; even says so on the wiki thing ...lol!
Nah... come on over and try to mess with Mighty Jabb... wait'n...
2 hours ago, DarthEnderX said:That explains the need for a repaint with new pilots. Not the need for an entirely new ship type.
What you just described is a glorified Aces pack, which is what the TIE/fo should have been, but wasn't, and neither will this.
Ace Packs do not change the dial or the stats on the cardboard, which the TIE/fo, the T-70, and likely the new First Order TIE/sa expansion will.
Sell new ships to get new dials and such, rather than improving old ones.
If this (and Kylo's TIE) happens, I hope it means that the First Order and the Resistance become independent factions.
1 minute ago, FTS Gecko said:If this (and Kylo's TIE) happens, I hope it means that the First Order and the Resistance become independent factions.
That could cery well happen. Much like the scum faction, there simply weren't enough ships to warrant a seperate faction.
Of course, we still need to see what these factions would have for epic ships.
I think they are OP and will need a nerf.
But then again a TIE Bomber with 1 shield, <tech> slot, evade token, and 3 s-loop starting at 19 points sounds not to different from a TIE Bombers.
2 hours ago, kris40k said:Ace Packs do not change the dial or the stats on the cardboard, which the TIE/fo, the T-70, and likely the new First Order TIE/sa expansion will.
Sell new ships to get new dials and such, rather than improving old ones.
AND the FO sculpts are absolutely NEW Models and they look dam-sweet too!
3 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:If this (and Kylo's TIE) happens, I hope it means that the First Order and the Resistance become independent factions.
No thanks. FFG is already incapable of balancing 3 factions.
FO and Resistance wouldnt make sense as their own faction and i wish people would stop asking for that
It would be YEARS before these factions get more than a small bundle of ships. And then you would have to figure out what upgrades are Imperial only or First Order only etc etc.
If they ever do that, they will cripple this game. There are a ton of combos both card and pilot alike that mingle between the eras. The amount of frustration that would cause when suddenly they cant mingle would cause a massive amount of people to just quit.
There is no balance nor business reason to do this.
13 hours ago, Odanan said:That's the engines - you are seeing the ship from behind.
And the thing in the bottom is the bombing chute, as the TIE Bomber.
Pls, let me keep my illusions :-)
11 hours ago, Vineheart01 said:FO and Resistance wouldnt make sense as their own faction and i wish people would stop asking for that
It would be YEARS before these factions get more than a small bundle of ships. And then you would have to figure out what upgrades are Imperial only or First Order only etc etc.
If they ever do that, they will cripple this game. There are a ton of combos both card and pilot alike that mingle between the eras. The amount of frustration that would cause when suddenly they cant mingle would cause a massive amount of people to just quit.
There is no balance nor business reason to do this.
People always threaten to quit over every release anyway.
Let's look at Scum with the release of most wanted. It gave you four ships. Y-wing, z-95, Firespray and HWK-290. Add in the Scyk, Starviper and Kihraxz you have 7 ships for a faction.
The First Order has:
TIE/FO
TIE/SF
Upsilon shuttle
TIE Silencer
There are also more ships that could be incorporated. The Landing craft, there are going to be other ships Not yet teleased to the public. A possibility, though pretty much debunked, of a First Order bomber.
Now, I agree that things will be slim, but IF Fantasy Flight did this, it could be updated rule wise to A second edition, which would be a good time to implement this change, and you can introduce faction upgrade cards - all cards that are confusing get reprints. Hux = FO only, etc.
Not saying this is a given, or likely, but financially it could work. The players that continue will buy an faction upgrade box, others won't. New players will join in. Heck, continue the base game and make these faction boxes an upgrade to play x-wing advanced.
A second edition, that runs concurrent to the regular edition. Best of both worlds. New players don't have to buy, but hardcore players will.
Am I the only person thinking the FO Bomber might have 2 shields?
1 hour ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:Hux = FO only, etc.
This is an example on why this will not happen; another example being the TIE/fo and T-70 X-Wing releases and the cards that came with them. The cards that are being released are also intended for use with the existing Rebel and Imperial ships. As FFG has said, they do not like to improve existing cards, so much as release new cards with new products that are better than the cards that need to be fixed and then sell them to you for more money .
General Hux is intended as the improved Fleet Officer.
Edited by kris40k
1 hour ago, Necronsis said:Am I the only person thinking the FO Bomber might have 2 shields?
Possibly. 2 shields on Agility 2 is about the same as 1 on Agility 3.
On 7/29/2017 at 8:55 AM, Odanan said:
With this:
EDIT: increased the cost by 1.
That has got to be the fastest custom card creation I've ever seen!
I am very happy about the potential for a new bomber! I look forward to once again destroying everything that comes my way with well-placed Proton Bombs, just like back in good old Wave III!
I'm confident that whatever upgrades it comes with, they will be much more powerful in rebel and scum than they are for the Empire. K-Wings, Jumpmasters, and Scurrgs will all get a huge buff, while the Bomber and Punisher will still just sit around collecting dust.
2 hours ago, kris40k said:This is an example on why this will not happen; another example being the TIE/fo and T-70 X-Wing releases and the cards that came with them. The cards that are being released are also intended for use with the existing Rebel and Imperial ships. As FFG has said, they do not like to improve existing cards, so much as release new cards with new products that are better than the cards that need to be fixed and then sell them to you for more money .
General Hux is intended as the improved Fleet Officer.
I'm guessing you didn't read my whole post, where I suggested faction upgrade boxes, where you would buy all these changes.
22 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:If this (and Kylo's TIE) happens, I hope it means that the First Order and the Resistance become independent factions.
Worst idea ever. You could as well dump Empire - almost all competitive are in First Order (SF, Omega). The factions are balanced for "subfaction interaction".
This would destroy more than it would create.
1 hour ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:I'm guessing you didn't read my whole post, where I suggested faction upgrade boxes, where you would buy all these changes.
I did, perhaps you were not as clear on what you meant by that faction upgrade box, as it sounded to me like it would be a FO or Resistance box, and you would be removing ships/cards/etc. from the Imperial and Rebel lists.
Which would be against the idea of how FFG has been balancing the factions.
The idea to make the Resistance and First Order factions of their own is pointless.
If you want to build a First Order or Resistance only squadron, there is currently nothing preventing you from doing it; I'm personally already doing it. But I don't see a point to impose it to everybody.
If it's your thing, go ahead and do it; if it's not, then continue to mix and match from the different eras.
The First Order can't afford to 100% build all of their stuff! There's millions of old Empire materiel out there, gotta make the best of it.