@BergerFett - trust me, I completely understand your argument. Heck, that's why I put the RAW there.

Consulting with playtesters of Wave 6 and with people who have judged Worlds, the RAI choice is being made. The decision was not made lightly and I completely accept the flak for this decision (well, at least for US Nationals). My understanding is that the RAI ruling will be used at GenCon 2017. Ask the GenCon Marshal to confirm.

Confidence should be my credentials in the community as well as being 2015 North American Champion and 2016 US National Champion. My goal was to defend my title but I knew Wave 6 rulings would be a tough call.

Nothing personal taken and yes, I used to play Warmachine, and those rules are super complex, so I trust your cred in what you are saying.

Out of curiosity @IceQube MkII (and just to put another non-FAQed situation on your plate) how would you rule on this

If an X-wing is at distance 1 of Instigator and engaged with Valen Rudor can the X-Wing attack Instigator or Rudor or does it create a scenario where the X-Wing can't attack and can't move?

3 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

I'm pretty sure it is up to the Marshall to decide. If players have a question, which a lot of us did, the Marshall has to supply the answer. We now have an answer. I'm sure FFG was contacted about this ruling, so it's now up to FFG to step and tell us how Sloane is meant to be used.

If FFG wants their games to be more competitive at the REgional + level then they need to set a mandate that this **** is RAW for better worse. Its easier to go to 6 different events when RAW is mandated, and know what to expect than to go to 6 different events when its RAI because that **** is the wild west.

for some background, I was a Pressganger for Privateer Press. I have run 180 man tournaments at Conventions, not this 5 round cap stuff, 8-9 rounds at 2+ hours each. There were over 1500 volunteers in the pressgang at its height. RAW was mandated, and ever player knew exactly what to expect from the judges and EOs when they went to a local event or a national convention.

I am grateful this was posted first because if this happened during the event, tables woulda flipped.

4 minutes ago, IceQube MkII said:

@BergerFett - trust me, I completely understand your argument. Heck, that's why I put the RAW there.

Consulting with playtesters of Wave 6 and with people who have judged Worlds, the RAI choice is being made. The decision was not made lightly and I completely accept the flak for this decision (well, at least for US Nationals). My understanding is that the RAI ruling will be used at GenCon 2017. Ask the GenCon Marshal to confirm.

Confidence should be my credentials in the community as well as being 2015 North American Champion and 2016 US National Champion. My goal was to defend my title but I knew Wave 6 rulings would be a tough call.

Nothing personal taken and yes, I used to play Warmachine, and those rules are super complex, so I trust your cred in what you are saying.

still blows mate.

I also have 0 faith in playtesters abilities to tell me whats good or bad based on my experiences with other FFG games and Warmachine hordes.

This should have come down from FFG but i feel their errata/faq process takes longer than marshalling Ents to march on Isengard.

14 minutes ago, Caldias said:

Before this, by the way, the original ruling by a different organizer of this event was that if Sloane spent the token, the Sloane spend produced the defense effect, which was also supported by RAW.

Not true.

From page 4 of the RRG (emphasis added):

• "Defense tokens can be spent by the defender during the “Spend Defense Tokens” step of an attack to produce the effects described below:"

From Sloane (emphasis):

• "While a friendly squadron without Rogue is attacking, it may spend 1 die with an icon"

RAW clearly states that you only get the benefit of a defense token when the defender spends it.
Sloane clearly states that the attacker is spending the token.

@IceQube MkII, thanks for the update.

I assume that Leia does not "stack" with Antilles?

To throw a wrench at @IceQube MkII and his Task Force ruling, @Green Knight just posted this over in the dirty land of rules question forum:

Posted 6 hours ago (edited) ·

I got a rash of e-mail replies a while back, but didn't bother posting them before, since it's all been FAQed.

Adding it now in case it's of interest for the nit-pickers

This one is interesting, because it clearly spells out that identical cards do stack, and that BCC don't bc of the errata only.

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Hello Bjørn,

In response to your question:

Rules Question:
Hello, Bomber Command Center (and also Targeting Scrambler) Do multiples of this card stack? There is nothing in the game text or rules to indicate otherwise, unless there will be a FAQ entry ruling otherwise. I may have submitted the same question before. Cheers Bjørn

You are correct that the core rules of Armada do not prohibit resolving the same effect from two different cards on dice while attacking. As you’ve probably seen by now, there is an errata for Bomber Command in the latest FAQ.

At the time we received your question we received several others on the same topic. So, thanks for your patience!

Michael Gernes

Game Producer

[email protected]

Edited 6 hours ago by Green Knight

Ref TF Antilles etc, @Green Knight got an FFG rules clarification saying cards stack unless stated/FAQ's otherwise (like Bomber Command). So surely the likes of TFA do stack. Otherwise Hammerheads really are the wet lettuce i think they are...

Beat ya to it @GammonLord!

3 minutes ago, GammonLord said:

Ref TF Antilles etc, @Green Knight got an FFG rules clarification saying cards stack unless stated/FAQ's otherwise (like Bomber Command). So surely the likes of TFA do stack. Otherwise Hammerheads really are the wet lettuce i think they are...

1 minute ago, emsgoof said:

Beat ya to it @GammonLord!

That email says " cards on dice while attacking." TFA does not work on dice, it works on damage.

4 minutes ago, emsgoof said:

Beat ya to it @GammonLord!

Aieeee! And by moments!

4 minutes ago, GammonLord said:

Ref TF Antilles etc, @Green Knight got an FFG rules clarification saying cards stack unless stated/FAQ's otherwise (like Bomber Command). So surely the likes of TFA do stack. Otherwise Hammerheads really are the wet lettuce i think they are...

but that's not the vision of the game the Marshall wants us to play....

(yes im being a ****)

What about Leia? How does Leia work with Squadron commands, engineering commands, banked tokens?

There is some hot debate around this too.

3 minutes ago, BergerFett said:

but that's not the vision of the game the Marshall wants us to play....

(yes im being a ****)

Oh im just saying in general. I'm in SW England, safely removed from the effects of this chat!

7 minutes ago, emsgoof said:

To throw a wrench at @IceQube MkII and his Task Force ruling, @Green Knight just posted this over in the dirty land of rules question forum:

The problem with this is that TFA's wording applies to ITSELF, not to another ship. "When you suffer damage from an attack, you may choose and exhaust a copy of this card on another friendly ship at distance 1-3."

You'd be resolving the same card's effect more than once.

If TFA was worded oppositely, like Target Scramblers (i.e. when another friendly ship at distance 1-3 takes damage), I'd be 100% on board with it stacking.

1 minute ago, GammonLord said:

Oh im just saying in general. I'm in SW England, safely removed from the effects of this chat!

must be nice, i just dropped $300 on my flight and am starting to regret it.

2 minutes ago, BergerFett said:

but that's not the vision of the game the Marshall wants us to play....

(yes im being a ****)

Are you going to NoVa? If not, I don't see why you should be harassing Q.

2 hours ago, IceQube MkII said:

Yes, this is RAI as Sloane would be too powerful for her cost otherwise.

See this is where i have a problem with said ruling. It shows a very distinct bias because you feel the cost is too low. Thats not in your area to decide.

Just now, ripper998 said:

See this is where i have a problem with said ruling. It shows a very distinct bias because you feel the cost is too low. Thats not in your area to decide.

THIS 100% THIS

1 minute ago, Undeadguy said:

Are you going to NoVa? If not, I don't see why you should be harassing Q.

Yes. Either way id be upset, but the fact I am dropping close to a grand to go to nationals is why I am very vocal and bitter over it.

3 minutes ago, ripper998 said:

See this is where i have a problem with said ruling. It shows a very distinct bias because you feel the cost is too low. Thats not in your area to decide.

Yep. Decisions should be based on what the rules actually say, not on what you feel is undercosted.

That line right there, regardless of how accurate the conclusion may be, makes this a bad ruling.

9 minutes ago, ripper998 said:

See this is where i have a problem with said ruling. It shows a very distinct bias because you feel the cost is too low. Thats not in your area to decide.

5 minutes ago, Valca said:

Yep. Decisions should be based on what the rules actually say, not on what you feel is undercosted.

That line right there, regardless of how accurate the conclusion may be, makes this a bad ruling.

I think it's not your place to question a Marshall.

Tourny Regs Page 4:

A marshal is an expert on the game’s rules and regulations and the final authority on their application during a tournament.

At a player’s request, a marshal can review a judge ruling and provide a final determination.

1 minute ago, Undeadguy said:

I think it's not your place to question a Marshall.

Tourny Regs Page 4:

A marshal is an expert on the game’s rules and regulations and the final authority on their application during a tournament.

At a player’s request, a marshal can review a judge ruling and provide a final determination.

Key word- "during" the tournament. It hasn't started yet.

But we are not at a Tourney and he opened himself up to this by posting it in the forums. His Authority ends at the door to the shop the tourney is at.

Just now, ripper998 said:

But we are not at a Tourney and he opened himself up to this by posting it in the forums. His Authority ends at the door to the shop the tourney is at.

I am honestly happy i know this now and not finding out the day of the event cuz their would have been some choice verb-age used.

I am just going to start playing the 7 gozanti isd1 motti list now cuz all other options just went out of the window for imperials.