22 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

The Biggs nerf will be a rotation. Red X-wing Core set, and waves 1 and 2 would no longer be legal. There you go Biggs is now properly nerfed and can't get nerfed any further.

After all, no one actually wants to fly x-wings or tie fighters. Or a-wings or b-wings, or...oh wait. They'll never do a full rotation simply due to taking out the most iconic ships from even being legal to play, unless they rerelease those ships completely in new packs to keep them around. And then we're getting less new stuff.

9 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:

After all, no one actually wants to fly x-wings or tie fighters. Or a-wings or b-wings, or...oh wait. They'll never do a full rotation simply due to taking out the most iconic ships from even being legal to play, unless they rerelease those ships completely in new packs to keep them around. And then we're getting less new stuff.

Pokemon TCG did this. They have a rotation but will re-release iconic cards every time they become illegal so they're back in the game. Use this opportunity to update/balance them so they can be adapted to how game is evolving.

47 minutes ago, Chibi-Nya said:

Pokemon TCG did this. They have a rotation but will re-release iconic cards every time they become illegal so they're back in the game. Use this opportunity to update/balance them so they can be adapted to how game is evolving.

Pokémon also releases hundreds of cards at once. If xwing did rotation, they would basically be stuck re-releasing the ships they previously released in an endless cycle.

Assuming this goes ahead, how do players who've played with Dengar/Fenn/Inaldra feel it will affect the list? The list still has the wrecking ball that is an infinite overclocked focus Dengar with K4 for free target locks.

10 minutes ago, Vandenberg said:

Assuming this goes ahead, how do players who've played with Dengar/Fenn/Inaldra feel it will affect the list? The list still has the wrecking ball that is an infinite overclocked focus Dengar with K4 for free target locks.

Well, Fenn would have to be a PTL Fenn, does that list have enough points to support that? Last time I looked the Dengatti build pared pretty much everyone down to the bone to work.

24 minutes ago, Mward1984 said:

Well, Fenn would have to be a PTL Fenn, does that list have enough points to support that? Last time I looked the Dengatti build pared pretty much everyone down to the bone to work.

You'd probably drop Countermeasures to make points for PTL, right? Either way, I'm not really sure it stands up to the PS 10-11 Cruise Missile carrying Imperials. The jury is still out on those, but pre or post "faq", Fenn has a lot of trouble against that sort of list.

3 hours ago, VanderLegion said:

After all, no one actually wants to fly x-wings or tie fighters. Or a-wings or b-wings, or...oh wait. They'll never do a full rotation simply due to taking out the most iconic ships from even being legal to play, unless they rerelease those ships completely in new packs to keep them around. And then we're getting less new stuff.

Maybe, but then they announce X-wing 2.0 right afterwords.

2 hours ago, Vandenberg said:

Assuming this goes ahead, how do players who've played with Dengar/Fenn/Inaldra feel it will affect the list? The list still has the wrecking ball that is an infinite overclocked focus Dengar with K4 for free target locks.

All though not sure if there is really reason do Overclocked astromech, because there is way better for him. That just restricts Dengar movement for nothing.

The degree to which these changes are getting so aggressive... Maybe the solution really *is* to just start tweaking points.

The bottom corner of the card? Oh, that's for casual play. Please consult the FAQ for tournament legalities.

This would, of course, instantly leave multiple older, even tournament-winning, builds actively illegal, and impossible to play with as references or to compete against in future games...

... But so does editing upgrade bars.

Might, uh, leave the squad builder folks with brain bleeds, though... ?

28 minutes ago, Reiver said:

The degree to which these changes are getting so aggressive... Maybe the solution really *is* to just start tweaking points.

The bottom corner of the card? Oh, that's for casual play. Please consult the FAQ for tournament legalities.

This would, of course, instantly leave multiple older, even tournament-winning, builds actively illegal, and impossible to play with as references or to compete against in future games...

... But so does editing upgrade bars.

Might, uh, leave the squad builder folks with brain bleeds, though... ?

Not if FFG either had their own squad builder updated after each FAQ or had a simple spreadsheet that the squad builders could import

6 hours ago, Chibi-Nya said:

Pokemon TCG did this. They have a rotation but will re-release iconic cards every time they become illegal so they're back in the game. Use this opportunity to update/balance them so they can be adapted to how game is evolving.

Pokemon can have multiple attacks , also with breeding/trainer/new moves/updates in the later games you can create OU versions of pokemon that weren't present in the earlier games. In X-wing if you upgrade a ship you release a new iteration and change the version number like in software/hardware.

3 hours ago, Reiver said:

The degree to which these changes are getting so aggressive... Maybe the solution really *is* to just start tweaking points.

This please!

Adjusting multilpe ships to make them more playable without us waiting for expansions that have printed cards would be great!

Save new titles for kitting existing ships rather than fixing them (see TIE Shuttle title).

3 hours ago, Suhawk75 said:

Not if FFG either had their own squad builder updated after each FAQ or had a simple spreadsheet that the squad builders could import

Just need something similar to Warmachine's War Room 2 app and release the updated cards on reprints.

The one tournament I went to recently for Warmachine I didn't see a single person using the cards, instead they all used the app to track the health/stats of their models. The cards were allowed of course, but the app made it much more convenient.

8 hours ago, Kdubb said:

Pokémon also releases hundreds of cards at once. If xwing did rotation, they would basically be stuck re-releasing the ships they previously released in an endless cycle.

This exactly. It's easy to release new versions of old Pokémon when you have over a hundred cards in a set. When you're releasing one ship per faction in a wave, rereleasing an old ship means you get no new ship for that faction. It's even worse when you consider early waves had 2 ships for rebel and imperial so if you only have one per wave now you can't even rerelease both

Just now, VanderLegion said:

This exactly. It's easy to release new versions of old Pokémon when you have over a hundred cards in a set. When you're releasing one ship per faction in a wave, rereleasing an old ship means you get no new ship for that faction. It's even worse when you consider early waves had 2 ships for rebel and imperial so if you only have one per wave now you can't even rerelease both

Worth noting though that FFG already has a way to re-release old ships and that is through ace packs. I think rotation is a pretty terrible idea for this game at the current time, but if it got to a point where it was necessary, saying ace packs meant that ship is available in all its forms would be one way to keep iconic ships in the rotation consistently.

Still though, you'd have xwing, Tie fighter, bwing, etc. ace packs way too often.

A Battle pf Yavin box with cinematic campaign, new pilots (Davish Krail etc.), new Luke, Biggs and Wedge, and X-Wing title? Alternative paint scheme X and Y? I wouldn't be disappointed at all.

Heroes of the Resistance did pretty much this. We've already had rotation.

10 hours ago, Reiver said:

The degree to which these changes are getting so aggressive... Maybe the solution really *is* to just start tweaking points.

The bottom corner of the card? Oh, that's for casual play. Please consult the FAQ for tournament legalities.

This would, of course, instantly leave multiple older, even tournament-winning, builds actively illegal, and impossible to play with as references or to compete against in future games...

... But so does editing upgrade bars.

Might, uh, leave the squad builder folks with brain bleeds, though... ?

I don't think changing point values would be that much difficult, I don't think even removing or adding upgrades are that difficult since most squadbuilders have upgrades added and removed when certain upgrades are applied. Just if this is the errata that FFG makes , then FFG should accept squadbuilder printouts in place of every single outdated pilot and upgrade card . I think demanding for the models properly assembled on the base with the proper cardboard tile, and the correct dial is fair enough. Heck if they go with that they could even make the demand that dial faction must match since they do have dial upgrade kits if not buying 2 expansions to get a pair of upgrades is hurting their business model.

5 hours ago, Warlon said:

Just need something similar to Warmachine's War Room 2 app and release the updated cards on reprints.

The one tournament I went to recently for Warmachine I didn't see a single person using the cards, instead they all used the app to track the health/stats of their models. The cards were allowed of course, but the app made it much more convenient.

What's the option for those of us who can't afford Smartphones?

12 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

What's the option for those of us who can't afford Smartphones?

eBay? A better job? Save a modicum of cast and buy cheap pay-as-you-go?

Just now, Spider said:

eBay? A better job? Save a modicum of cast and buy cheap pay-as-you-go?

I'm a full-time stay at home Dad of a Special Needs Child.

There's no such thing as "cheap pay as you go."

My boring no-frills-bog-standard cellphone costs me over $40/month, just so I can get the notifications that my Son has made his trip to school.

38 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

I'm a full-time stay at home Dad of a Special Needs Child.

There's no such thing as "cheap pay as you go."

My boring no-frills-bog-standard cellphone costs me over $40/month, just so I can get the notifications that my Son has made his trip to school.

The solution is the same as Warmachine's, and Battletech's Alpha Strike: Free printable cards available online. Or do like Malifaux does, and errata'd cards are available to print too, with unchanged cards still usable.

If FFG would just admit the main thing they're selling is the plastic and the game , not the cardboard , then we could have that... but no.

Brother says fake.

I say **** YES but probably fake.

57 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

I'm a full-time stay at home Dad of a Special Needs Child.

There's no such thing as "cheap pay as you go."

My boring no-frills-bog-standard cellphone costs me over $40/month, just so I can get the notifications that my Son has made his trip to school.

I'm replying to offer a helpful suggestion not related to x-wing.

The bottom tier Metro PCS plan is 30 for unlimited talk text and data. 25ea if you have two lines on the account. The smart phone I'm currently typing this on cost me 60 bucks and works fine. My wife and I are dinks and we like this plan because for 50 bucks a month it's everything we need.

Pick a phone that allows calling over WiFi and even when you're in the boonies it's hard not to find a place with WiFi.

Also, see if you can find someone who has an old smartphone that they are no longer using and the SIM card is removed. They can still operate over Wi-Fi (as mini tablets, still cant call anything but 911). It would let you do things like use apps and surf the web Etc, and cost you nothing.

10 hours ago, Reiver said:

The degree to which these changes are getting so aggressive... Maybe the solution really *is* to just start tweaking points.

The bottom corner of the card? Oh, that's for casual play. Please consult the FAQ for tournament legalities.

This would, of course, instantly leave multiple older, even tournament-winning, builds actively illegal, and impossible to play with as references or to compete against in future games...

... But so does editing upgrade bars.

Might, uh, leave the squad builder folks with brain bleeds, though... ?

Or just ban the Jumpmaster. If this proves to be legit we're on something like 3 straight FAQ's changing Deadeye, Attani Mindlink, Punishing One, Dengar, Tel, Manny (twice), and Scout. That's seven cards which do not function the way the are written simply because they seem to have screwed up this one ship. They should just ban the ship and revert Deadeye and not change Attani. And I completely disagree with the- can't ban b/c feel bads logic- the same thing happens when someone shows up with a list to play an event and they get told somewhere along the way that the way they are playing it is illegal even though all the cards appear to work the way they are trying to use them. If you just tell them up front, hey- that ship is too good, it got banned- they could still play something else. That is a much better outcome than having them find-out midway through round 1 that they have an illegal list because the words on the cards don't matter.

On 7/27/2017 at 0:21 PM, xanderf said:

Well:

1) Nope, don't believe it. First and foremost, the only way someone could get at this is as a playtester. The whole point of playtesting is to get multiple points of data to measure the impact of a change, so almost certainly not all playtesters have the same set of changes to work from. IE., revealing the rules YOU have is also likely revealing your identity (or at least down to the groups testing that set of changes), meaning you are about to get your NDA revoked and can never work for FFG again. Who would do that?

2) Too much, and at this point, is anyone still flying SaltMasters? The last nerfs did them in pretty bad - it's all about the Scurrg, now, as well as the continuing Biggs menace...

I agree; who would reveal this and think that they wont get fired from FFG. The last nerf did hurt them, but that fact of the matter is; people DO still fly them.