1 minute ago, Wiredin said:

I recommend one look at the Imperial Assault Royal Guard errata to see the response to how they deal with such a massive change (that card was pretty much entirely reworked!). the answer "Go play in tournaments, you will get the new card that way.

Which does make sense.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/12/21/great-change-in-the-galaxy/

That was much worse than the Jumpmaster is going to be.

As I said, they should make the errata cards available in all OP functions. That would be acceptable. ( see demand #2 )

However that hasn't always been the way they handled X-wing. All the errata cards are only in reprints. Well thing is I already bought the expansions at launch cards included.

1 minute ago, Marinealver said:

Does everyone have a printer? Have thought that much about it have you?

But I did pay $15-$100 for the expansion pack to have said cards and now they are invalid.

Do you read all the cards every time you play them? I'd wager the answer is no. Do you really NEED the correct text in front of you all the time? Save a pdf of the FAQ to your phone like everyone else, and refer to it as you need. This isn't rocket science.

Just now, Crit Happens said:

Do you read all the cards every time you play them? I'd wager the answer is no. Do you really NEED the correct text in front of you all the time? Save a pdf of the FAQ to your phone like everyone else, and refer to it as you need. This isn't rocket science.

PRocket science maybe...

1 minute ago, Marinealver said:

invalidating the cards all together just makes requiring them asinine .

Let's be honest: it was asinine to begin with. Even if the cards contain the correct rules, you don't really need most of them to play the game. It's useful to flip Intensity or a torpedo, but that's about it. An erratum doesn't change that. I feel stupid for bringing 'Chardaan Refit' to a tournament just because the rules demand it. Thankfully I don't play the Tie Advanced: these asinine rules would cost me even more.

1 minute ago, Wiredin said:

staples will print you the errata for $0.25. Dollar store will sell you scissors for about $2

while you are at it, print the Heros of the Atturi Cluster campaign. You can get it in a nice coil book and on shiny nice heavy paper for around $45 canadian. Then go have a blast playing an amazing version of the game that is unaffected by the jumpmaster and this FAQ.

but those aren't official FFG cards so they are not allowed in tournaments . Catch-22 my friend. Catch-22.

3 hours ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

That was because they had Disney info in them. Disney doesn't care about this FAQ lol.

A very valid point

Just now, Verlaine said:

Let's be honest: it was asinine to begin with. Even if the cards contain the correct rules, you don't really need most of them to play the game. It's useful to flip Intensity or a torpedo, but that's about it. An erratum doesn't change that. I feel stupid for bringing 'Chardaan Refit' to a tournament just because the rules demand it. Thankfully I don't play the Tie Advanced: these asinine rules would cost me even more.

It wasn't last year, because the integrity of the printed cards were still preserved. If any errata it was more of fixing a card to work as intended so it didn't change much from the original wording. You could follow it and still get the same effect.

In a way the squad-building integrity of the cards is still preserved (assuming that the leak is a bunch of baloney). However if the rumors are to be true and it isn't a troll, well then there is no point in requiring the cardboard anymore short of the dial and base tile. FFG makes most of the money off the models, not the cards.

2 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

but those aren't official FFG cards so they are not allowed in tournaments . Catch-22 my friend. Catch-22.

Card requirements have always been and will continue to be fancy looking proof of purchases. Full Stop.

But by all means continue to freak out and indirectly advocate for poor game balance while you pretend otherwise.

4 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

but those aren't official FFG cards so they are not allowed in tournaments . Catch-22 my friend. Catch-22.

sleeve the original card underneath your print out.

IF a TO is going to get all sandy in the *** about it then they should go have a beer and maybe play some loopin chewie.

BLUB... YARB... SNARGS...

7 minutes ago, Crit Happens said:

Do you read all the cards every time you play them? I'd wager the answer is no. Do you really NEED the correct text in front of you all the time? Save a pdf of the FAQ to your phone like everyone else, and refer to it as you need. This isn't rocket science.

I read my opponents card quite a bit.

Just now, Makaze said:

Card requirements have always been and will continue to be fancy looking proof of purchases. Full Stop.

But by all means continue to freak out and indirectly advocate for poor game balance while you pretend otherwise.

Nerf You and your balance .

This would not bring balance at all, this will just make everything into chaos as cards can be changed at will. With a single errata I could make Biggs 11 points or Make Soontir Fel and Hans Pilot Skill 5 so I can make Kylo and Rey Pilot skill 9. You want poor balance, go play 40k, or heck even Armada had worse balance than last years worlds.

TL:DR

Did anyone catch the weird wording in the supposed leak? If you follow that wording, the Punishing One has no torpedo slot.

I think this is, at least, partly a large cowpie dropped by a bull.

16 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

This is more than a simple errata, this is destroying the legitimacy of the printed cards, An Official Requirement for the Game! Sure the last one was aggressive but there still was the list building components that maintained their integrity (upgrade slots point costs) Now getting rid of all those things will simply invalidate the pilot and upgrade cards all together. Before the last NerF.A.Q (the one with all the errata) I was against proxying any cards. When the balance erratas came out I couldn't find any justification to prohibit proxying cards , in a matter of fact the opposite reasoning came that cards with errata should be proxyed and the older ones should be banned .

The models will still be required. Also their policy on cardboard isn't really much at all (rumor is I can call up customer service and request a replacement Palp for my Raider). However invalidating the cards all together just makes requiring them asinine . Anyways the new FAQ destroys those standards or any reasonable justification to maintain those requirements. If they follow through then there needs to be accommodations other than "suck it up". It is just bad business practice and is begging for some serious backlash !

Models being required doesn't mean it doesn't hurt sales. There's a LOT of ships bought by people that don't buy everything simply to get cards (the infamous "autothrusters" expansion for instance)

14 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

Does everyone have a printer? Have thought that much about it, have you?

But I did pay $15-$100 for the expansion pack to have said cards and now they are invalid.

But poor Jedi Council can't see the Sith takeover right under their wise noses

lots of places will print stuff for you for quite cheap. You could even get a whole set up erratad cards printed on actual playing cards similar to the ones in game from places like makeplayingcards.com

10 minutes ago, Crit Happens said:

Do you read all the cards every time you play them? I'd wager the answer is no. Do you really NEED the correct text in front of you all the time? Save a pdf of the FAQ to your phone like everyone else, and refer to it as you need. This isn't rocket science.

But, but what if you don't have a *phone*?!?!?!?!?!

9 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

but those aren't official FFG cards so they are not allowed in tournaments . Catch-22 my friend. Catch-22.

There' perfectly allowed, as long as you bring the originals with (see all the alt art cards that show up at worlds and other ffg events)

4 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

Nerf You and your balance .

This would not bring balance at all, this will just make everything into chaos as cards can be changed at will. With a single errata I could make Biggs 11 points or Make Soontir Fel and Hans Pilot Skill 5 so I can make Kylo and Rey Pilot skill 9. You want poor balance, go play 40k, or heck even Armada had worse balance than last years worlds.

We already have poor balance, this is fixing a lot of the overpowered crap and bringing it inline. YOU couldn't make anyone anything with an errata. The developers can, after they decide what needs it. It's not like they're just arbitrarily picking stuff to change and deciding to watch the world burn.

1 minute ago, VanderLegion said:

It's not like they're just arbitrarily picking stuff to change and deciding to watch the world burn.

I would... mostly because it's funny as ****.

3 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

Nerf You and your balance .

This would not bring balance at all, this will just make everything into chaos as cards can be changed at will. With a single errata I could make Biggs 11 points or Make Soontir Fel and Hans Pilot Skill 5 so I can make Kylo and Rey Pilot skill 9. You want poor balance, go play 40k, or heck even Armada had worse balance than last years worlds.

Balance and consistency are not the same thing and I value the former a whole heck of a lot more than the later.

You certainly could make those changes, though it would be stupid to since they're objectively bad changes so I'm not really sure what your point is. Would it be nice if they just bit the bullet and published a periodic list of points changes for tournament play? Sure, would probably be a lot simpler and would allow them to continuously modify things in a more nuanced manner. Would it be nice if the next batch of promo cards are the cards under discussion of being changed? Sure, but it's not some sort of world ending crisis or legal/moral obligation on their part to do so.

25 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

Does everyone have a printer? Have thought that much about it, have you?

But I did pay $15-$100 for the expansion pack to have said cards and now they are invalid.

But poor Jedi Council can't see the Sith takeover right under their wise noses

I think it's fair to say that even if you don't have a printer it's still a pretty simple solution to find one, and that's assuming you are the kind of person that needs it printed out;)

I'd also argue that I paid $15-100 for expansions that are balanced, and I actually prefer that to accurate cards.

For the record, the Ghost is no where near balanced. it keeps falling off it's stand! I demand FFG Errata this!

3 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

For the record, the Ghost is no where near balanced. it keeps falling off it's stand! I demand FFG Errata this!

Yeah! I can't even play it not balanced! After that, they should look at the Decimator.

Today the whiners have won...

Because I know we need more Conspiracy Theories on these forums, has anyone considered FFG intentionally "leaks" this stuff and starts rumors to gage reactions of the community as a whole to potential changes?

5 minutes ago, Gundog8324 said:

Because I know we need more Conspiracy Theories on these forums, has anyone considered FFG intentionally "leaks" this stuff and starts rumors to gage reactions of the community as a whole to potential changes?

I wish.

27 minutes ago, Makaze said:

Balance and consistency are not the same thing and I value the former a whole heck of a lot more than the later.

You certainly could make those changes, though it would be stupid to since they're objectively bad changes so I'm not really sure what your point is. Would it be nice if they just bit the bullet and published a periodic list of points changes for tournament play? Sure, would probably be a lot simpler and would allow them to continuously modify things in a more nuanced manner. Would it be nice if the next batch of promo cards are the cards under discussion of being changed? Sure, but it's not some sort of world ending crisis or legal/moral obligation on their part to do so.

That's the thing how can you have balance without consistency. One keeps the scales from dramatically shifting, and the other just tells you how far off the balance is. It is like Accuracy and precision. If you don't have precision then it doesn't matter if you hit target on 1 of your shots when the other 9 are off the chart. Now put 9 out of 10 in the black with only a little bit of variance and that is better and you have a margin of error so you know where to work with.

Not X-wing related but at 15:18 the review of this game brings up how consistency fits with balance. And since there was none no comments can be made about balance.

So you say you want balance but don't care about consistency? Well that is like having a gun but not caring about bullets.

2 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

That's the thing how can you have balance without consistency. One keeps the scales from dramatically shifting, and the other just tells you how far off the balance is. It is like Accuracy and precision. If you don't have precision then it doesn't matter if you hit target on 1 of your shots when the other 9 are off the chart. Now put 9 out of 10 in the black with only a little bit of variance and that is better and you have a margin of error so you know where to work with.

Not X-wing related but at 15:18 the review of this game brings up how consistency fits with balance. And since there was none no comments can be made about balance.

So you say you want balance but don't care about consistency? Well that is like having a gun but not caring about bullets.

Errata is being able to curve your bullets onto the target, making up for a lack of precision when you originally fired them off.

I don't want to start a new topic for this, because it's silly, but what if ...

Mindlink buffed (or stressed) every ship on the table with Mindlink. "If an enemy ship already has a Focus token, it is instead assigned an Evade token, unless it already has one."