2 minutes ago, Shraken said:

Make it 0 points then if it's only between 2 ships.

lol, free action at unlimited range, even if you are stressed... Sorry, but I think that's worth the 2 points of admission.

49 minutes ago, Kdubb said:

Nope, they won't do it. They said as much in their gamasutra interview. Asked them straight up why they don't buff more cards. They said it was too clunky and they can just release new cards instead. Made me so sad.

If they would only realize that the competitive game is waaaaaaay beyond the point where they need to be worried about a cards wording being different than its initial print, we could all enjoy a more balanced game as nerfs and buffs are both made to the needed cards.

But nope. All we get is 90% nerf. Stay dead Saboteur, Graz, Ibtisam, all mid PS generics, all non Carnor or soontir interceptors, Krassis Trelix, Major Rhymer, expose, flight instructor, unkar plutt crew, r3 astromech, most astromechs which don't regen... That's all fine apparently.

Not all cards are viable, and it's not feasible that all of them could be.

All that's needed for this game to be healthy is that enough of them are. And I'd argue that that is the case currently. There are many ignored cards that could be great in lists, just no one takes the time to figure them out.

Look at Unkarr crew for example. You could put that on Dengar, fly into things, BR away, and still shoot. Possibly arc dodging while you're at it.

Chewbacca crew is good in the right context. Sure Lorrir is bad, Krassis is, Flight Instructor is, but any game is going to have those.

OP of the reddit thread's account is now [deleted] as are some of his replies...

Eh, worth a try

There's still good interactions with it. Manaroo, Guri, Genesis Red, Palob.

2 minutes ago, Crit Happens said:

lol, free action at unlimited range, even if you are stressed... Sorry, but I think that's worth the 2 points of admission.

Yes, at the cost of 2 EPT slots. And when you lose the first ship, you basically lose the EPT on the second one.

No, 2 points will be useless. For me, limited it to 2 ships turns already it into useless.

16 minutes ago, SaltMaster 5000 said:

Not all cards are viable, and it's not feasible that all of them could be.

All that's needed for this game to be healthy is that enough of them are. And I'd argue that that is the case currently. There are many ignored cards that could be great in lists, just no one takes the time to figure them out.

Look at Unkarr crew for example. You could put that on Dengar, fly into things, BR away, and still shoot. Possibly arc dodging while you're at it.

Chewbacca crew is good in the right context. Sure Lorrir is bad, Krassis is, Flight Instructor is, but any game is going to have those.

But why have those cards be bad if you don't have to is my argument. I agree there will always be cards that are better than others, but there can be a lot that are better than they currently are.

I'm waiting for this to be proven before saying more!

33 minutes ago, SaltMaster 5000 said:

Good, suffer.

You've had training wheels for long enough.

Nice try buddy! I've flown Mindlink once, maybe twice. On two Kihraxz Fighters! Without the Title!

2 hours ago, Jehan Menasis said:

For God's sake, Dear FFG, just release a pack with errataed cards.

I'm seriously beginning to lose track of changes. I'd prefer not having to devote a night of monkish study prior to each tournament.

Monks make mean beer, man. Study harder.

Anyway ... Mindlinked Brobots: completely unaffected, and effective.

20 minutes ago, Hawkstrike said:

Anyway ... Mindlinked Brobots: completely unaffected, and effective.

Not so much in fact. Mindlink on 2 ships still not valuable.

This better be fake

7 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

This better be fake

if you dig through the reddit thread and see what some people are saying, there is a higher probability for it to be true than to be fake.

1 minute ago, Wiredin said:

if you dig through the reddit thread and see what some people are saying, there is a higher probability for it to be true than to be fake.

X-wing Miniatures is a print game ! This isn't Starcraft that can be patched at any moment.

If this was the case then they need to rewrite their entire Organized play for the game in the following ways

1. Redo the required components to allow for printouts of squadrons lists in place of pilot and upgrade cards no longer requiring the pilot or upgrade card to be present , instead have the model , the dial and the base and tiles as required components to field everything. If FFG was serious they would even make an official squad builder app.
2. Make errata cards available on request at tournaments and other OP events . Not just putting them on FAQ make them physically avalible (or make an official squadbuilder app)
3. Allow for fan art and custom pilot and upgrades cards . At the very least fan self-printed upgrade cards should be legal in all OP tournaments regardless if the official upgrade is present or not .

If you write in big font does it mean you are right?

4 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

X-wing Miniatures is a print game ! This isn't Starcraft that can be patched at any moment.

If this was the case then they need to rewrite their entire Organized play for the game in the following ways

1. Redo the required components to allow for printouts of squadrons lists in place of pilot and upgrade cards no longer requiring the pilot or upgrade card to be present , instead have the model , the dial and the base and tiles as required components to field everything. If FFG was serious they would even make an official squad builder app.
2. Make errata cards available on request at tournaments and other OP events . Not just putting them on FAQ make them physically avalible (or make an official squadbuilder app)
3. Allow for fan art and custom pilot and upgrades cards . At the very least fan self-printed upgrade cards should be legal in all OP tournaments regardless if the official upgrade is present or not .

This would all be great, but you know it's never going to happen, right? They are in the business of selling models, which have cards that sometimes require you to buy more models than necessary because you really want multiples of those great cards. That's how they make money. Not by allowing you to print whatever you want. Give your head a shake.

We have had major errata and card changes before... why all the salt? Deal with it. The game is still fun, and I'd rather they take an aggressive stance on adjusting the game than let this monster still be the ugly meta defining machine it is.

As an active game with an active competitive scene it is a living, breathing, animal that will evolve and change. Expecting a company to reprint everything and send you new copies of everything? I know "0.10 a card is not going to cost them a whole lot" well, if they printed 10,000 copies of the jump master, that 50,000 cards. Thats $5000 just in the cards. Not to mention the staffing/man power to deal with all of us salty whining entitled players who want 4 new jumpmaster cards to replace the outdated ones in our collections. Shipping world wide, etc. etc.

They do allow fan art, you just need to have the original with you. That shouldn't be a big issue. There are bigger things to worry about than having to bring an extra card with you to A GAME!

Enjoy pushing plastic ships around. If anything this has made the game more enjoyable! I for one hope this is true and can't wait for how it will reshape the game and bring fun back into it!

12 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

X-wing Miniatures is a print game ! This isn't Starcraft that can be patched at any moment.

If this was the case then they need to rewrite their entire Organized play for the game in the following ways

1. Redo the required components to allow for printouts of squadrons lists in place of pilot and upgrade cards no longer requiring the pilot or upgrade card to be present , instead have the model , the dial and the base and tiles as required components to field everything. If FFG was serious they would even make an official squad builder app.
2. Make errata cards available on request at tournaments and other OP events . Not just putting them on FAQ make them physically avalible (or make an official squadbuilder app)
3. Allow for fan art and custom pilot and upgrades cards . At the very least fan self-printed upgrade cards should be legal in all OP tournaments regardless if the official upgrade is present or not .

If they did those things it would probably damage their sales. The cards sell the models and the models sell the cards. The tournament standard makes sure that players want more than just the models. The result is that players will pay for cards that, because of errata, contain the wrong rules.

I just need a few more Crack Shots. Don't care what version.

4 minutes ago, Crit Happens said:

This would all be great, but you know it's never going to happen, right? They are in the business of selling models, which have cards that sometimes require you to buy more models than necessary because you really want multiples of those great cards. That's how they make money. Not by allowing you to print whatever you want. Give your head a shake.

Then explain the fact that the words, attributes, symbols, numbers, heck the entire freaking card can change on a moments notice without any replacement for such items. This is still a print medium not a virtural medium.

If FFG wants to treat it as such then they are going to have to make accommodations for such (and no a simple FAQ is not enough). Heck sell an official squad builder app, People still have to have the models and the dials to play, the cardboard with the exception of the base tiles doesn't matter anymore then why make it a requirement.

19 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

X-wing Miniatures is a print game ! This isn't Starcraft that can be patched at any moment.

If this was the case then they need to rewrite their entire Organized play for the game in the following ways

1. Redo the required components to allow for printouts of squadrons lists in place of pilot and upgrade cards no longer requiring the pilot or upgrade card to be present , instead have the model , the dial and the base and tiles as required components to field everything. If FFG was serious they would even make an official squad builder app.
2. Make errata cards available on request at tournaments and other OP events . Not just putting them on FAQ make them physically avalible (or make an official squadbuilder app)
3. Allow for fan art and custom pilot and upgrades cards . At the very least fan self-printed upgrade cards should be legal in all OP tournaments regardless if the official upgrade is present or not .

Or just print out the 1 or two erratad card text when you use those cards which FFG should reasonably expect you to own...?

2 minutes ago, Marinealver said:

This is still a print medium not a virtural medium.

If FFG wants to treat it as such then they are going to have to make accommodations for such (and no a simple FAQ is not enough).

You and I know they don't really have to do that. Printed material can have online supplements and corrections.

2 minutes ago, Kdubb said:

Or just print out the 1 or two erratad card text when you use those cards which FFG should reasonably expect you to own...?

Stop offering simple solutions to simple problems --they prevent people from feeling their ranting is justified.

5 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

We have had major errata and card changes before... why all the salt? Deal with it. The game is still fun, and I'd rather they take an aggressive stance on adjusting the game than let this monster still be the ugly meta defining machine it is.

As an active game with an active competitive scene it is a living, breathing, animal that will evolve and change. Expecting a company to reprint everything and send you new copies of everything? I know "0.10 a card is not going to cost them a whole lot" well, if they printed 10,000 copies of the jump master, that 50,000 cards. Thats $5000 just in the cards. Not to mention the staffing/man power to deal with all of us salty whining entitled players who want 4 new jumpmaster cards to replace the outdated ones in our collections. Shipping world wide, etc. etc.

They do allow fan art, you just need to have the original with you. That shouldn't be a big issue. There are bigger things to worry about than having to bring an extra card with you to A GAME!

Enjoy pushing plastic ships around. If anything this has made the game more enjoyable! I for one hope this is true and can't wait for how it will reshape the game and bring fun back into it!

This is more than a simple errata, this is destroying the legitimacy of the printed cards, An Official Requirement for the Game! Sure the last one was aggressive but there still was the list building components that maintained their integrity (upgrade slots point costs) Now getting rid of all those things will simply invalidate the pilot and upgrade cards all together. Before the last NerF.A.Q (the one with all the errata) I was against proxying any cards. When the balance erratas came out I couldn't find any justification to prohibit proxying cards , in a matter of fact the opposite reasoning came that cards with errata should be proxyed and the older ones should be banned .

Just now, Verlaine said:

If they did those things it would probably damage their sales. The cards sell the models and the models sell the cards. The tournament standard makes sure that players want more than just the models. The result is that players will pay for cards that, because of errata, contain the wrong rules.

I just need a few more Crack Shots. Don't care what version.

The models will still be required. Also their policy on cardboard isn't really much at all (rumor is I can call up customer service and request a replacement Palp for my Raider). However invalidating the cards all together just makes requiring them asinine . Anyways the new FAQ destroys those standards or any reasonable justification to maintain those requirements. If they follow through then there needs to be accommodations other than "suck it up". It is just bad business practice and is begging for some serious backlash !

I recommend one look at the Imperial Assault Royal Guard errata to see the response to how they deal with such a massive change (that card was pretty much entirely reworked!). the answer "Go play in tournaments, you will get the new card that way.

Which does make sense.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/12/21/great-change-in-the-galaxy/

That was much worse than the Jumpmaster is going to be.

7 minutes ago, Verlaine said:

You and I know they don't really have to do that. Printed material can have online supplements and corrections.

6 minutes ago, AlexW said:

Stop offering simple solutions to simple problems --they prevent people from feeling their ranting is justified.

Does everyone have a printer? Have thought that much about it, have you?

But I did pay $15-$100 for the expansion pack to have said cards and now they are invalid.

But poor Jedi Council can't see the Sith takeover right under their wise noses

staples will print you the errata for $0.25. Dollar store will sell you scissors for about $2

while you are at it, print the Heros of the Atturi Cluster campaign. You can get it in a nice coil book and on shiny nice heavy paper for around $45 canadian. Then go have a blast playing an amazing version of the game that is unaffected by the jumpmaster and this FAQ.