All this Thweek talk has me wondering. Would Injured Pilot critical from the old damage deck shut him down? Using IG-2000 title as precedence.

IG-2000 = "You have the pilot ability of each other friendly ship with the IG-2000 Upgrade Card"
Mimicked = "Thweek is now treated as having your pilot ability"
FAQ for IG-2000 = "If you have multiple Aggressors equipped with the IG-2000 title and one of the Aggressors is removed from play, all other Aggressors equipped with the IG- 2000 title immediately lose the destroyed Aggressor’s pilot ability. An Aggressor equipped with IG-2000 that receives the Injured Pilot Damage card can still use the pilot abilities of friendly ships equipped with IG-2000, but those friendly ships can no longer use its pilot ability"

So Mimicked protects against the first part I bolded, destruction is specifically blocked from being a cause of pilot skill removal. But what about Injured pilot? Just a thought I had. (I'm of the opinion it should not RAI, but it seemed an intriguing question to ask)

Injured Pilot only affects the assigned ship. If Thweek assigns Mimicked to a ship, and the Mimicked ship is dealt an Injured Pilot card, then Thweek can still use the pilot ability. If Thweek is dealt Injured Pilot, then Thweek can't use a Mimicked pilot ability. This all boils down to the rules for Card Abilities, page 8 of the Rules Reference, third bullet.

Edit: This was wrong, I read a version of Injured Pilot from the internet that does not have the correct text. The correct wording of Injured Pilot would affect Thweek if assigned the the Mimicked ship.

IG-2000's gain each others' power by way of "You have the pilot ability of each other friendly ship with the IG-2000 Title"
I have IG88B and C with title

1. My IG88-B "Has the pilot ability" of IG88-C
2. IG88-C gets injured; its power is disabled.
3. Per FAQ entry, IG88-B cannot use C's power.
4. Per FAQ entry, IG88-C can use B's power (but not his own)

Same Scenario different ships. I have Thweek you have Dengar whom i've mimicked.

1. My Thweek is treated as "having your pilot ability" your being Dengar.
2. Dengar gets injured; his power is disabled.
3. The language is the same I have Dengar's power, Dengar's power is currently defined as NULL

Your point, if applied to IG-2000 effect, is in direct contradiction to what the FAQ says on how to interpret the interaction between Injured Pilot and the phrasing to have another ships ability. The FAQ implies that is dynamic and it has to be continuously maintained.

Your use of crits only affect the ship it is applied to if anything strengthens the case not hurts it. Thweek isn't gaining Dengar's power through a card on himself, the way IGs do it (they pull the power to them). But rather Dengar has a card on him which is actively giving that power to Thweek (the power is being pushed TO thweek from the affected ship) I don't think this really matters but it would provide a counter argument to your point. This is sort of a side point though as I don't really think this hurts or helps the case, my main argument is the FAQ for IG and the language similarity plus the implication that it would be a dynamic effect if they hadn't added the you don't lose it upon destruction line (implying that without that, you otherwise would as the condition would disappear).

I'm not saying it should work this way, the addition of the you don't lose it upon destruction line is a clear RAI attempt at making it static but they didn't cover Injured Pilot with that is my point.

27 minutes ago, Smitty said:

1. My Thweek is treated as "having your pilot ability" your being Dengar.
2. Dengar gets injured; his power is disabled.
3. The language is the same I have Dengar's power, Dengar's power is currently defined as NULL

Your point, if applied to IG-2000 effect, is in direct contradiction to what the FAQ says on how to interpret the interaction between Injured Pilot and the phrasing to have another ships ability. The FAQ implies that is dynamic and it has to be continuously maintained.

Your use of crits only affect the ship it is applied to if anything strengthens the case not hurts it. Thweek isn't gaining Dengar's power through a card on himself, the way IGs do it (they pull the power to them). But rather Dengar has a card on him which is actively giving that power to Thweek (the power is being pushed TO thweek from the affected ship) I don't think this really matters but it would provide a counter argument to your point. This is sort of a side point though as I don't really think this hurts or helps the case, my main argument is the FAQ for IG and the language similarity plus the implication that it would be a dynamic effect if they hadn't added the you don't lose it upon destruction line (implying that without that, you otherwise would as the condition would disappear).

I'm not saying it should work this way, the addition of the you don't lose it upon destruction line is a clear RAI attempt at making it static but they didn't cover Injured Pilot with that is my point.

No. Read the cards. Read the rules. Your post fails to appropriately cite any card or rules.

Here are the applicable quotes:

Rules Reference, Page 8, Card Abilities, 3rd bullet: "The word "you" on Damage cards and Upgrade cards refers to the ship that has those cards. These cards only affect the ship that they are assigned to unless the card specifies otherwise."

Injured Pilot: "You cannot use your pilot ability..."

Mimicked: "Thweek is treated as having your pilot ability."

For all functional purposes, the text of the pilot ability is copied from the ship with Mimicked and pasted to Thweek. Injured Pilot stops the ship from using a pilot ability, it does not erase the pilot ability. If a Mimicked ship receives the Injured Pilot crit, then "You cannot use your pilot ability," only applies to the ship to which the damage card is assigned, in accordance with the rule quoted above. Nothing on the Damage Card, on Mimicked or in the rules gives any indication of Injured Pilot transcending time and space to apply the crit to Thweek.

In the opposite application, if Thweek has Injured Pilot assigned, then the pilot ability gained via Mimicked cannpt be used by Thweek, but it has no effect on the ship with the condition card.

I doubt my own ability to state it more clearly than that.

I have done a little research and I have found that on the internet there are 2 different versions of "Injured Pilot". Then I consulted the FaQ for if it has been errated (it hasn't).

The one that jmswood quotes ("you cannot use your pilot ability"). If that's the right one, he is right. The original ship cannot use the ability, but doesn't lose it, so Thweek keeps it.

Another one worded differently ("All players must ignore your pilot ability"). If that's the right one, Thweek loses it too, since she (he? it?) has to ignore the ability too.


I have no 100% sure way to know which one is the right one, because mine is in Spanish (It's worded like the second one, though)

'All players must ignore' is the correct wording.

Are some of you forgetting that there are 2 different damage decks? Both of the injured pilot cards quoted are correct and legitimate options, though it seems that there is a possibility they may each effect Thweek differently due to the slightly different wording between the two versions.

41 minutes ago, Mace Windu said:

Are some of you forgetting that there are 2 different damage decks? Both of the injured pilot cards quoted are correct and legitimate options, though it seems that there is a possibility they may each effect Thweek differently due to the slightly different wording between the two versions.

I'm not forgetting there are 2 different damage decks.
Are you forgetting there is no Injuried Pilot in TFA damage deck?

1 hour ago, Willy Jarque said:

Are you forgetting there is no Injuried Pilot in TFA damage deck?

Ya i know, this is more of a thought experiment than a request for clarification of a rule. I just thought it worth exploring for interest.

8 hours ago, jmswood said:

No. Read the cards. Read the rules. Your post fails to appropriately cite any card or rules.

Yes I did, something like half of all text in my original post is a direct copy/paste from the FAQ. I fully understand your point on the rule that cards affect just the ship they are on, but the catch here is the FAQ says otherwise and it overrides core rules. It creates an unintended loophole, which granted would require somebody to use the old deck and then have bad enough luck to draw the specific critical. But it could occur, therefor it intrigued me.

You have made the assertion that Mimicked is copying the text; I say that is over reading what it does. It has the exact same language as the IG title, "you have the ability". The IG title is dynamic; if Boba removes the host ship's title then the parasite ship loses the ability. That implies such a transference is dynamic you have the pilot ability is a constant transmission of the ability as it is at any given moment.

As a thought experiment, if they introduced a theoretical card that said "You may remove 1 condition card from yourself. Discard this card" and you used said theoretical card to strip mimicked; do you agree you would disable Thweek?

My point here is, Thweek isn't getting a physical copy of the text. The ability doesn't say go grab a pen and post it note and write Dengar's ability onto Thweek. there is a card in play that is actively transmitting it to him. That card is actually on the host ship, which would only make for a stronger argument on my side that the host ship is being affected by the crit and the host ship is broadcasting to Thweek the receiver. I don't wish to pursue that argument though, as it is too theoretical, my focus is specifically the case of The FAQ says it works this way for A why would it be different for B if the language used between A and B are basically the same, and the mechanic is the same (use of cards to transmit the title rather than Thweek directly having an ability on his own card saying clone the text).

(Thanks for the lively debate though I find this interesting though albeit somewhat pointless as it involves old deck, I really want to be wrong here, i feel like Thweek was written with the intent to always retain the ability and they just forgot about the old Injured pilot and IG FAQ thing)

Thanks @Willy Jarque and @thespaceinvader for fact checking the Damage card I quoted incorrectly. When I posted yesterday, I used the quoted Injured Pilot card I saw on Google Images. I just dug my old damage deck out of mothball and verified the correct text. In light of that, I recant all of my previous assertions on this topic.

Thweek cannot possibly use a Mimicked ship's ability if that ship has the correctly worded Injured Pilot.

@Smitty I called you put for not citing rules and cards appropriately, then turned around a quoted a card wrong. I made a mistake; sorry for the accidental hypocrisy. I'll drop the rest of the argument for that reason, but I do want to discuss your theoretical question.

15 minutes ago, Smitty said:

As a thought experiment, if they introduced a theoretical card that said "You may remove 1 condition card from yourself. Discard this card" and you used said theoretical card to strip mimicked; do you agree you would disable Thweek?

Agreed. Also, I think a card ability that strips conditions is inevitable, but also situational to the degree that it would have to be very cheap for players to take it in a list.

No worries, you had good intentions to contribute no apology needed.