...So if you declare a political conflict against the stronghold first, when you declare a Militar in the same turn it cannot be changed, right?

1 minute ago, L5RBr said:

...So if you declare a political conflict against the stronghold first, when you declare a Militar in the same turn it cannot be changed, right?

Only if they use the action during the political conflict.

Which they won't.

27 minutes ago, Ultimatecalibur said:

Who said this was the first attack?

Who said it wasn't and if somebody did, did he also said Crab loses the first attack on defense?

1 minute ago, TheItsyBitsySpider said:

Yes, phoenix have a huge advantage if they make that their last province against military or political clans, but if you are attacking it as a lion... your probably doing well yourself and the phoenix is probably suffering.

I agree with you, but in the new game the characters go away and the breaked provinces still replace cards..

1 minute ago, L5RBr said:

...So if you declare a political conflict against the stronghold first, when you declare a Militar in the same turn it cannot be changed, right?

I think this is one of the open questions. It all depends on the rulebook text. If the rulebook says you may only DECLARE one military and one political challenge a turn, then what Phoenix does, does not change anything as you may have declared military but they made it politics so you used your military challenge. If the rulebook says you may only RESOLVE one military and one political challenge a turn then you may be right.

1 minute ago, Yogo Gohei said:

Only if they use the action during the political conflict.

Which they won't.

But you can declare 2 political conflicts in one turn right?

Like you can't dishonor a dishonored character...

4 minutes ago, L5RBr said:

But you can declare 2 political conflicts in one turn right?

Like you can't dishonor a dishonored character...

You get to declare one Political and one Military conflict a turn. As far as we know, that's the only restriction.

If you swing political at the stronghold, then they can chose to use their province to turn it military. They won't do that.

Then, later in the turn, you will swing military. Your opponent then gets to turn that political, if they wish.

Edit: This is all speculative. FFG hasn't actually stated yet how switching the first conflict type effects the second conflict type. Speculation is that the only restriction is on what you can declare, and that what ends up resolving doesn't have any bearing on your options later in the turn.

2 minutes ago, JRosen9 said:

I think this is one of the open questions. It all depends on the rulebook text. If the rulebook says you may only DECLARE one military and one political challenge a turn, then what Phoenix does, does not change anything as you may have declared military but they made it politics so you used your military challenge. If the rulebook says you may only RESOLVE one military and one political challenge a turn then you may be right.

Yes, cause if you choose ring of AIR and Kuroi Mori change to VOID , and you claim the ring, so you can't choose VOID anymore.

2 minutes ago, L5RBr said:

But you can declare 2 political conflicts in one turn right?

Like you can't dishonor a dishonored character...

You can only declare one conflict of each type per round. If that conflict resolves as the opposite type, it doesn't matter. Only the declaration matters.

...at least, that's the working assumption. Pending full rules, of course.

3 minutes ago, L5RBr said:

Yes, cause if you choose ring of AIR and Kuroi Mori change to VOID , and you claim the ring, so you can't choose VOID anymore.

That isn't the same thing at all. If that battle ended in a 0-0 tie, with no winner, the next player could choose void if they wished.

3 minutes ago, L5RBr said:

Yes, cause if you choose ring of AIR and Kuroi Mori change to VOID , and you claim the ring, so you can't choose VOID anymore.

Unless Phoenix claims the Void ring and uses shenanigans to swap it from their claimed rings for an unclaimed ring...

Phoenix glory looks nice, But I am troubled how few options they have to Honor themselves. I've been playing with Crane who have more options and its already hard for me to be consistantly honored, IDK how the phoenix are gonna pull it off.

This smells like a facebook live question for Brad.

Yes we will have to wait for the rulebook to know how it works.

Just seems nonsense to me a card that forces the Lion (who all know will focus on militar to win and be very weak on Pol to work fine) to have a balance.

6 minutes ago, L5RBr said:

Yes we will have to wait for the rulebook to know how it works.

Just seems nonsense to me a card that forces the Lion (who all know will focus on militar to win and be very weak on Pol to work fine) to have a balance.

Im not sure about this. In the few games I had, it didnt feel as a good idea to focusing too much on Mil as a Lion. Balanced Lion works better.

to my mind the card art is better than crane. This makes me sad.

3 minutes ago, Bayushi Nono said:

Im not sure about this. In the few games I had, it didnt feel as a good idea to focusing too much on Mil as a Lion. Balanced Lion works better.

There's no balanced lion for now.

The militar chars have strong habilities, the political are weak.

All the conflict was made to focus on bushi and militar.

4 minutes ago, L5RBr said:

There's no balanced lion for now.

The militar chars have strong habilities, the political are weak.

All the conflict was made to focus on bushi and militar.

That's really not true. Ikoma Prodigy, Historian and Spiritcaller are all pretty good.

28 minutes ago, Kakita Onimaru said:

Phoenix glory looks nice, But I am troubled how few options they have to Honor themselves. I've been playing with Crane who have more options and its already hard for me to be consistantly honored, IDK how the phoenix are gonna pull it off.

Well, it looks like that's not the focus of the Phoenix, though. If they do get honored, they can make good use of it, but it looks like more of their focus will be on making use of high glory in other ways, with the occasional honoring simply being icing on the cake.

Lions Pride Brawler! Her Ability is in Pol-Conflicts insane!

33 minutes ago, BlindSamurai13 said:

I am at work, but I didn't see any new spoilers did I?

No we knew all those cards.

12 minutes ago, wolfien8 said:

I am at work, but I didn't see any new spoilers did I?

Nope. Boo! Still, we have close to their whole card pool. Gotta say, the art on the Phoenix cards is fantastic, it's very .... swoosh. I don't know how else to describe it.

48 minutes ago, Kakita Onimaru said:

Phoenix glory looks nice, But I am troubled how few options they have to Honor themselves. I've been playing with Crane who have more options and its already hard for me to be consistantly honored, IDK how the phoenix are gonna pull it off.

I understand your thoughts. I would assume you would have to use Influence and bring in cards from another Clan in order to help you Honor your characters.... ???