7 minutes ago, wolfien8 said:

Luckily they have the tools to do so. How convenient!

I agree though it's a proactive tool rather than a reactive tool so you gotta put some thought into when is the best time to use it.

So this clan seems to be the most rule heavy/technical clan so far with moving rings around, modifying glory values, and changing conflict types. Not a bad thing, but not noob friendly.

1 minute ago, Spawnod said:

So this clan seems to be the most rule heavy/technical clan so far with moving rings around, modifying glory values, and changing conflict types. Not a bad thing, but not noob friendly.

Phoenix have never been noob friendly (neither has Scorpion) Noobs play smash and honour. i.e. Lion and Crane, sometimes Crab and Unicorn

1 minute ago, Spawnod said:

So this clan seems to be the most rule heavy/technical clan so far with moving rings around, modifying glory values, and changing conflict types. Not a bad thing, but not noob friendly.

IMHO and from my experience, Phoenix has never been noob-friendly.

3 minutes ago, phillos said:

I agree though it's a proactive tool rather than a reactive tool so you gotta put some thought into when is the best time to use it.

Don't forget that spell that lets you steal a ring from an unopposed loss. That is a reactive tool to deny your opponent the fire ring.

So, Tsukune may find herself being the last one standing, and with open field to attack. Then, as she cannot break a province and the ring will be claimed by her ability anyway, she may decide not to attack and instead win the imperial favor.

Enough to encourage any flavor-loving phoenix-hearted person to play this game until that happens at least once!

3 minutes ago, fyrm said:

Don't forget that spell that lets you steal a ring from an unopposed loss. That is a reactive tool to deny your opponent the fire ring.

You want to dishonor me? Nope, looks like I will be honored and now use that to destroy you. Not only does your opponent not want you to have the fire ring, he also doesn't want to claim the fire ring. In fact maybe it's best if he just surrenders now as he knows that he has no hope against Phoenix's cleansing flame.

In all seriousness this is what control should feel like. It doesn't have any cards that are straight denial like Counter-Spell in Magic, but has a lot to turn the tides in their favor. They have small denial and control the rings then can turn their large glory guys in to fight you like traditional control (control the board then hit with big threats.

...what need have I for glory?

Wow.

I was not expecting the glory theme, but it makes perfect sense.

Also, the art is awesome, and the abilities are scary.

23 minutes ago, fyrm said:

I am keeping my mon as is, got to have someone repping pure spider, but I am so happy that Phoenix is tied with them today. Champ is beautiful [and that effect is exactly what I thought it was going to be. lol.], Glory theme was unexpected yet fits perfectly, and shows how they do their honor pressure. I can't wait to try them out, even if we are missing a bunch of stuff.

What is this bunch of stuff? I actually think we have more spoiled with the phoenix than any other faction was right after their preview article. Usually those factions were missing a few cards that then got filled in by other sites as the week went on. Here is what we are missing with Phoenix.

Cards we have no clue about: 2 (Card number 86 and 177)

Cards with most of the information spoiled: 2 (Naive Student has everything but ability spoiled, Phoenix holding has everything but name and PS boost spoiled).

1 minute ago, JRosen9 said:

What is this bunch of stuff? I actually think we have more spoiled with the phoenix than any other faction right now. Usually those factions were missing a few cards that then got filled in by other sites as the week went on. Here is what we are missing with Phoenix.

Cards we have no clue about: 2 (Card number 86 and 177)

Cards with most of the information spoiled: 2 (Naive Student has everything but ability spoiled, Phoenix holding has everything but name and PS boost spoiled).

4 is a good deal. And without the text/PS we really can't use those cards. Well, the holding can moslty be used as it will probably be mostly for the effect, but the other 3 could have a large effect on our game plan. You can still make a deck, just 3-4 cards shy, but that still matters.

Pretty crazy stuff; two characters with FOUR glory?! Sigh, guess I have to print more Court Games proxies...

17 minutes ago, fyrm said:

Don't forget that spell that lets you steal a ring from an unopposed loss. That is a reactive tool to deny your opponent the fire ring.

That was the piece of the puzzle I was missing

I'm just glad my favorite clans that have been done so far all look fun to play. And even one I don't like very much looks like it'd be a blast to put a deck together with. Fingers crossed for the final two to keep this up, I'm actually really interested in seeing Scorpion and if there'd be any good synergy with the Phoenix or Crane given how important honoring/dishonor protection is to the two of them.

48 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

Overall, I really like the looks of Phoenix! Though, Serene Warrior shows us that not everyone in LCG Rokugan has figured out wearing kimonos yet. (Seriously, a warrior wearing long, flowing robes is questionable enough, but to wear them in a manner to make them even more flowing? <sigh>)

Its the latest fashion, you wouldn't understand. His glory is high because he is effective AND looks good doing it.

15 minutes ago, Shu2jack said:

...what need have I for glory?

Asako Diplomat + Isawa Mori Seidoo can show Kisada what Glory means haha.

Also - can you play attachments to your opponent? Magnificent Kimono could be a great prize for your opponent when they're about to lose a conflict.

6 minutes ago, fyrm said:

4 is a good deal. And without the text/PS we really can't use those cards. Well, the holding can moslty be used as it will probably be mostly for the effect, but the other 3 could have a large effect on our game plan. You can still make a deck, just 3-4 cards shy, but that still matters.

Considering the crab one requires the sacrifice of a character and provides 0 PS boost, I would assume the phoenix one does as well. Further I would assume Naive student will have a positive ability as it would be fairly weak at -/2 blank text box. I would assume this card gets spoiled at some point this week. As for the final missing 2 cards, Crab are missing 2 cards, Crane are missing 2, Lion are fully spoiled, Dragon are missing 1 with 1 ambiguity.

Am I wrong or can Tsukune's ability be used after a defense, victorious or not?

1 minute ago, Moto Dokomo said:

Am I wrong or can Tsukune's ability be used after a defense, victorious or not?

It's after all conflicts have been fought.

6 minutes ago, shosuko said:

Also - can you play attachments to your opponent? Magnificent Kimono could be a great prize for your opponent when they're about to lose a conflict.

Yes, otherwise Pacifism and Cloud the Mind would be mostly useless.

The image of someone being sent a beautiful but out of style Kimono as an insult pleases me.

10 minutes ago, Moto Dokomo said:

Am I wrong or can Tsukune's ability be used after a defense, victorious or not?

her ability pops end of phase.

That yojimbo looks to be too expensive considering the other drops. I'd rather it be a 1/2 for 2.

The stronghold feels really weird since there's all this attention for rings and shugenja. Crane are probably mad about it too. Oh, and that they have a better native political attachment.

I'll go over the rest when I get finish with work.

Thanks for the birthday present FFG.

Just now, Kubernes said:

That yojimbo looks to be too expensive considering the other drops. I'd rather it be a 1/2 for 2.

The stronghold feels really weird since there's all this attention for rings and shugenja. Crane are probably mad about it too. Oh, and that they have a better native political attachment.

I'll go over the rest when I get finish with work.

Thanks for the birthday present FFG.

3/2/2 for 3, if nothing else, yeah that'd be lack-luster. But you're paying for that ability, and it's a nice ability. Doesn't have to be in a conflict. You get to say "no" whenever. That's pretty nice.

14 minutes ago, Kubernes said:

That yojimbo looks to be too expensive considering the other drops. I'd rather it be a 1/2 for 2.

The stronghold feels really weird since there's all this attention for rings and shugenja. Crane are probably mad about it too. Oh, and that they have a better native political attachment.

I'll go over the rest when I get finish with work.

Thanks for the birthday present FFG.

Eh, the Yojimbo definitely has below-average stats, sure.

However, the ability is amazing. Unlike many of the old game's Yojimbo card effects, this one doesn't have to switch the opponent's action / ability to the Yojimbo character. It just flat-out negate the effects. That can be huge.

1 hour ago, Shu2jack said:

...what need have I for glory?

Well Phoenix can now give you glory with their stronghold. Then you can try glory out for a fight.

Just now, Devin-the-Poet said:

Well Phoenix can now give you glory with their stronghold. Then you can try glory out for a fight.

Kisada approves.