7 minutes ago, RandomJC said:

My line is drawn at Ide. I won't accept a lack of the name Ide on the card.

It just struck me.

The Ide are like the Canadians of Rokugan, renowned for their good-natured kindness.

And are generally ignored by anyone who actually matters.??

So far Kuni are the only family that have not had their name in a card title. Though there is still one unknown crab dynasty card so it could still happen. So far they have been giving all clans at least one courtier option, and when I think courtier and Unicorn the obvious answer is the Ide family. So I'd say their odds are pretty good.

Just now, Kuni Katsuyoshi said:

It just struck me.

The Ide are like the Canadians of Rokugan, renowned for their good-natured kindness.

And are generally ignored by anyone who actually matters.??

I accept this. means no one is paying attention as we take over.

2 minutes ago, RandomJC said:

I accept this. means no one is paying attention as we take over.

......You're the Scorpion ? spy this time eh???

I really hope the Ide are there. They are the Unicorn family I've had the most interaction with, and they are my favorites to bring into the RPG.

2 minutes ago, Kuni Katsuyoshi said:

......You're the Scorpion ? spy this time eh???

Maaaaaybe.

I'm just glad the new spoil doesn't look to be an Ide, since she's a warrior as well.

3 minutes ago, RandomJC said:

Maaaaaybe.

I'm just glad the new spoil doesn't look to be an Ide, since she's a warrior as well.

That warrior is gonna poem you so hard you lose effectiveness.

Just now, SHARKOSAURUS said:

That warrior is gonna poem you so hard you lose effectiveness.

My pony heart swoons!

1 hour ago, RandomJC said:

I can be really nerdy and point out the semantics of "pretty much every clan" meaning not every clan, but I can recall some excitement after the release of spoilers that can slide into the "best clan evar" hyperbole. With time, things have slid and adjusted but each clan has seemed to generate excitement in a majority of people on the forums.

My post was made partially in anger, partially with a bit of confusion given the Core Dragon cards. I wasn't attempting to single out your post for attack in any way.... am just miffed at the lack of cohesion with the Core Dragon cards.

Just now, RandomJC said:

My pony heart swoons!

My smaller secondary pony heart also swoons as I'm very curious how they'll turn out.

Just now, LordBlunt said:

My post was made partially in anger, partially with a bit of confusion given the Core Dragon cards. I wasn't attempting to single out your post for attack in any way.... am just miffed at the lack of cohesion with the Core Dragon cards.

That's okay. No harm no foul, just kind of confused is all.

This thread isn't about worthless anti-lion people. It's about how good Phoenix is and how all you guys are gonna bandwagon us.

3 minutes ago, Nickciufi said:

This thread isn't about worthless anti-lion people. It's about how good Phoenix is and how all you guys are gonna bandwagon us.

True, this thread should've been "What's your favorite clan so far and why is it Phoenix?"

As far as yojimbo is concerned. In my opinion that guy is awesome. Other than 2 less glory he has the same statline as serene warrior, plus a nifty yojimbo trait that may someday be relevant. In addition he has an ability that stops an amazing number of things, and will only be more relevant the further we get into the game and the more awesome actions clans get and the more shugenja heavy Phoenix decks are able to be.

Some of this will be dependent on rulings, but here's a list of things that we know of so far that he can stop:

Shizuka Toshi - blank stronghold for Crane if you manage your combats correctly

The Art of Peace - does this target since it says each, because if so then also blank

Alright going to compress this down some as otherwise this post will be crazy long

Endless Plains, Shameful Display, Jade Tetsubo, Way of the Crab, Duelist Training, Admit Defeat, Noble Sacrifice, Togashi Kazue, Mirumoto's Fury, Master of the Spear, Strength in Numbers, I can Swim, Blackmail, Assassination, Court Games, For Shame, Fallen in Battle, Rout, Hida Tomonatsu, Doji Gift Give, Doji Challenger, Kakita Kaezin, Niten Adept Mirumoto Raitsugu, Togashi Yokuni, Secluded Temple, Deathseeker, Lion's Pride Brawler, Solemn Scholar, Asako Diplomat, Radiant Orator, Isawa Masahiro, Fearsome Mystic, isawa Atsuko, Young Rumourmonger, Warrior Poet

That list has lots of really good cards in it, many of which are the tricks that will be used to turn the tides of battle or the whole course of a turn. Being able to say it does not happen is pretty good in those situations. Also unlike Kisada you don't have to negate the first thing that happens you can save it for the one that matters most Additionally unlike Kisada he's non-unique so you can have multiple action denials at your disposal, and that's before you splash crane for voice of honour.

Anyway in closing I think he's pretty sweet, and right now if I was building a deck and it came down to him or Serene Warrior. My personal pick would be the Shiba Yojimbo.

28 minutes ago, Nickciufi said:

This thread isn't about worthless anti-lion people. It's about how good Phoenix is and how all you guys are gonna bandwagon us.

In all honesty, I think Lion are going to splash phoenix a lot

28 minutes ago, Nickciufi said:

This thread isn't about worthless anti-lion people. It's about how good Phoenix is and how all you guys are gonna bandwagon us.

Still two clans left. Still plenty of time to go from 'bandwagon' to 'garbage scow'????

20 minutes ago, SHARKOSAURUS said:

True, this thread should've been "What's your favorite clan so far and why is it Phoenix?"

b/c they have Magnificent Kimonos. I can't wait to see Kachiko fail to wear it properly

Just now, shosuko said:

b/c they have Magnificent Kimonos. I can't wait to see Kachiko fail to wear it properly

Between Kachiko, Serene Warrior, and the majority of Crab I'm starting to think knowing how to wear a kimono is in the minority.

22 minutes ago, SHARKOSAURUS said:

Between Kachiko, Serene Warrior, and the majority of Crab I'm starting to think knowing how to wear a kimono is in the minority.

tbh I think Kachiko and Serene Warrior know how to wear a Magnificent Kimono. What we are seeing is just the "after" image. Once they've won a conflict they're naturally a little unkempt, but it's a cute kind of unkempt that gives them honorable status <3

idk what the Crab are doing They prolly thought it was a trampoline...

17 minutes ago, shosuko said:

tbh I think Kachiko and Serene Warrior know how to wear a Magnificent Kimono. What we are seeing is just the "after" image. Once they've won a conflict their naturally a little unkempt, but it's a cute kind of unkempt that gives them honorable status <3

idk what the Crab are doing They prolly thought it was a trampoline...

Hey now

Don't hate us because we're beautiful ?

*FLEX!!*

3 hours ago, Casanunda said:

I'm not aware of when they cleared this up, I was under the impression this was still an unanswered question. To my knowledge, the only reference to declaring conflicts was in an FFG article, which are not meant to be a definitive rules answer.

As far as I know, they have not brought up Kuroi Mori or any other "change conflict type" cards and the specific way they interact with the declaration rules yet. Brad talked in general about how declaring conflicts works (you get to declare one of each) in an L5R Live, and people have extrapolated from that information that a conflict that has had its type changed still counts against your declaration limit. Given only the information we have at the moment that interpretation seems correct, but until we have the full text in the rule book we can't say for 100%. (We don't know that there isn't an exception to the declaration rules if the conflict type changes. There may well not be, but we don't know.) I was hoping they'd bring it up in L5R Live to put this to rest, but it looks like they are putting L5R live off for a week.

5 hours ago, shosuko said:

Tsukune has an ability that goes with her too How is this not comparable?

Sure, there are other characters like Adapt of the Waves - who is 2 for 2/2/2, with a nifty ability - but who is going to protect that character from Assassination? Or Blackmail? 2 cost is a prime target for these cards, and this Yojimbo is the counter spell to those types of effects.

She isn't "zomg great." She is situational, depending on the abilities your opponent would use - but quite useful in her niche of saving Shugenja from the ill effects that might target them.

Imagine Doji Challenger with Crane - great shenanigans but if your first two characters are this Yojimbo and the Adept of Waves - you can prevent the Challenger's ability to pull Adapt of Waves. That is a pretty useful cancel - and a very realistic scenario in the current game. Consider there is also Rout, Shameful Display, and other nasty effects that she can block without even being in the conflict and I would say this card has its place cut out for it.

Who plays Assassination? Or Blackmail? Blackmail might be played in Scorpion but I'm pretty fine with them overspending to kill a 2 drop. Assassination might see some fringe play but has that serious honor cost associated. There are frankly better options for the clans and generally only the more honor runners could really use it*.

With your example, I'd just remove or target the Yojimbo but it completely depends on the board state. Besides, I'd probably just swing with a Water political ring on a province and target the shugenja to force you to choose whether or not to use the ability. After that, I'd have the advantage since I wouldn't necessarily need to target the shugenja anymore and just do some generic pump to break the province. Plus, if you use the ability you pretty much have to spend cards to prevent me from taking the ring and bowing one of your guys.

Then again, your just assuming there's just a Challenger on the board. Or a scenario where there's a Yojimbo and a non-shugenja.

Why do I even need to target the 2 drop to begin with when I can simply target the Yojimbo? Other than the two uniques, I don't necessarily need to worry about the 1 or 2 drops.

The problem is that the Yojimbo is far too situational in the core set and the larger variety of answers outside of just targeted removal also hurts the gal. Maybe when more shugenja are printed and help prevent situations where the Yojimbo is just a 3/2?

* - Pending on Scorpion cards and whether or not they can negate honor loss with a card or ability.

You say "I would just target the yojimbo" and I say "mission accomplished." You're now selectively targeting a decent package of raw stats instead of a shugenja which has an awesome ability.

This is the Phoenix - you declaring a Water Ring to a conflict doesn't mean they won't be able to use Water later haha.

"Why do I need to target a 2 drop?" Because those are some of the most important cards. Players only get 7 fate a turn, it has to be spread out to the best sources of power from dynasty and conflict cards, and hopefully build some momentum into the next turn. Whether its Doji Challenger, or Lion's Pride Brawler, or any other ability that is going to try to block a Shugenja out - you will wish you could target that Shugenja to do it, instead of just targeting the Yojimbo - if targeting the Yojimbo is even worth it. Baring the Yojimbo's ability it's a barely decent ball of stats that can be good if honored, but it may be as good as wasting the action to try to target it instead.

I'm going to take heart in the fact that a lot of Phoenix's stuff is pretty expensive. As consolation have some Cinnamon.

13 hours ago, shosuko said:

The Phoenix are designed to play in combos, utilizing control, the rings, and glory to their advantage instead of having raw stats the way the Crab do. This is why they have Asako Diplomat and Magnificent Kimono.

I gotta admit, I worry about this, although I'm not sure how much of a problem it will be from an LCG standpoint.
(Idk your CCG experience, but as a Scorpion, you probably know full-well the "too many moving parts" decks are always at a disadvantage against the "not many moving parts" decks. There's a reason Scorpion Military was either entirely divorced from it's Dishonor elements, or was garbage... sometimes both. )

That said, I'm optimistic! The strength of the Phoenix may not be obvious like it is with, say, the Lion or Crab, but they look like a really fun "control-y" clan to play.