I have Dengar and Thweek in a list...

my opponent has a Thweek too and chooses to mimic My Dengar,

can I mimic his Thweek and have 2 Dengars?

oh crap, I think I broke the game!

no, you can't apply a condition card by using the mimicked pilot's ability

I don't see why not, it says he's treated as having your ability not just that he can use its effect.

This would be even funnier if your oppenent also fielded real dengar.... everyone is Dengar.

I don't think it will break the game. With or without Tweek you have one Dengar more than he has.

4 minutes ago, Oberron said:

no, you can't assign condition cards with thweek

He's not assigning a condition cards. That line basically just stops you from cloning kylo ren for example. His thweek cloned your dengar, he's now treated as having dengars ability. You now mimick thweek's ability which is defined as Dengar style retaliation. Initiative matters allot for this his thweek has to go first but i don't see any conflict.

1 minute ago, Smitty said:

He's not assigning a condition cards. That line basically just stops you from cloning kylo ren for example. Is thweek cloned your dengar, he's now treated as having dengars ability. You now mimick thweek's ability which is defined as Dengar style retaliation. Initiative matters allot for this his thweek has to go first but i don't see any conflict.

Ah ok i understand it better now. Thought he was asking if he could tweek the opponent's tweek for another tweek effect to use.

Yeah it would depend on initiative order in that case.

I think a thweek juno eclipse would be pretty crazy, now it has all the hards, green 2 banks, green 4 straight, and 2 sloops... now to fight an opponent that uses juno eclipse...

On 7/24/2017 at 9:31 PM, Oberron said:

Ah ok i understand it better now. Thought he was asking if he could tweek the opponent's tweek for another tweek effect to use.

Yeah it would depend on initiative order in that case.

I think a thweek juno eclipse would be pretty crazy, now it has all the hards, green 2 banks, green 4 straight, and 2 sloops... now to fight an opponent that uses juno eclipse...

Yeah it would be based on initiative because if you got initiative, you could choose to make them Thweek first. It you did not, you would have to choose someone other than their Thweek and would miss out on having two Dengars.

18 minutes ago, shaunmerritt said:

Yeah it would be based on initiative because if you got initiative, you could choose to make them Thweek first. It you did not, you would have to choose someone other than their Thweek and would miss out on having two Dengars.

The opposite actually. You would assign the abilities in initiative order. So if your opponent had initiative, they would use their Thweek first giving him an ability that you could then mimic with your Thweek. If you had initiative you would have to choose first and their Thweek would not be a valid option. Having initiative does not give you the ability to say who goes first, it means you always go first in the event of a timing tie.

On 7/24/2017 at 9:09 PM, ThisIsDavin said:

I have Dengar and Thweek in a list...

my opponent has a Thweek too and chooses to mimic My Dengar,

can I mimic his Thweek and have 2 Dengars?

oh crap, I think I broke the game!

I'm not sure that you even need to, someone correct me if I'm missing something, but there's nothing that says the condition only gives the ability to the "Thweek" that assigned it...

So if both Thweeks assign the Mimicked condition, they should both have each of the Mimicked abilities, right?

No, any more than two opposing Rexes would suppress each others' targets. Nothing in this game ever affects enemy ships without specifically saying so.

19 minutes ago, xbeaker said:

The opposite actually. You would assign the abilities in initiative order. So if your opponent had initiative, they would use their Thweek first giving him an ability that you could then mimic with your Thweek. If you had initiative you would have to choose first and their Thweek would not be a valid option. Having initiative does not give you the ability to say who goes first, it means you always go first in the event of a timing tie.

I worded my example wrong... i meant if you had the option, you would want to give them initiative, but you are correct!

1 hour ago, shaunmerritt said:

I worded my example wrong... i meant if you had the option, you would want to give them initiative, but you are correct!

I see. Yeah, this is definitely one of those scenarios where you would want to hand off initiative.

Thweek's ability is based on playing a condition card. Since Thweek cannot mimic condition cards he cannot mimic a mimic'd ability as the condition card that is assigned to the enemy ship is what causes the game effect.

so no, you cannot mimic a theweek who has mimic'd your dengar to give your thweek dengars ability.

12 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

Thweek's ability is based on playing a condition card. Since Thweek cannot mimic condition cards he cannot mimic a mimic'd ability as the condition card that is assigned to the enemy ship is what causes the game effect.

so no, you cannot mimic a theweek who has mimic'd your dengar to give your thweek dengars ability.

Gonna have to disagree here... Mimicked says it cannot apply condition cards, not that it can't copy an ability granted by a condition card. Obviously you wouldn't want to mimic Kylo or Capt Rex since you cannot fully use their abilities, but nothing says you cannot copy them for poops and giggles. I think this is loop hole that they will address before the ship hits the shelves.

18 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

Since Thweek cannot mimic condition cards....

That is not what the Mimicked card says. It says that Thweek cannot apply a Condition card by using the target ship's pilot ability. So Thweek could mimic Kylo Ren, but Thweek could not assign "I'll Show You The Dark Side" to anyone. Same thing with Captain Rex, where Thweek could mimic him but could not assign "Suppressive Fire" to anyone.

Edit: Ninja'd! Though I'm not sure that Thweek will be FAQ'd before release. This might be one of those times that FFG waits to see how it plays out after release before making any changes

but Thweeks pilot ability is to assign the condition card to another enemy ship. The condition card states that Thweek gains the pilot ability of your ship. GAINS the pilot ability, does not replace the pilot ability. Therefore your are still mimicking Thweeks base ability which is to assign one of the two condition cards. Since you cannot assign a condition card with Mimick... your hooped.

I was on this train of thought originally too, but when I sat down and thought about it after reading the card texts I realized it wouldn't work.

24 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

but Thweeks pilot ability is to assign the condition card to another enemy ship. The condition card states that Thweek gains the pilot ability of your ship. GAINS the pilot ability, does not replace the pilot ability. Therefore your are still mimicking Thweeks base ability which is to assign one of the two condition cards. Since you cannot assign a condition card with Mimick... your hooped.

I was on this train of thought originally too, but when I sat down and thought about it after reading the card texts I realized it wouldn't work.

"Thweek is now treated as having your pilot ability" so when you go first you mimick my Dengar, from that point have the text of Dengar on your thweek. If i mimick you next i get whatever your pilot ability is, which is currently defined as Dengar. If you want to make the case that you aren't replacing it that won't matter, ok fine i get both of your abilities but the double thweek won't work since i can't turn around and shadow you due to no placing condition cards. I have one useless power and I'm tiny dengar.

well... I think I've broken something at least

"Hold me closer tiny Dengar.

Count the turrets on the spaceway."

i think initiative would come into play with this.

If Thweek mimics a Thweek first, nothing happens as he cannot assign condition cards. However, if he mimics a Thweek that already mimic'd someone else then he would steal that ability since now he is "treated as having your pilot ability" where the "your" is whoever he slapped the condition card on.

So, if Thweek is with Dengar against a Thweek, he would have to NOT have initiative to get double-dengar effectively (assuming the enemy Thweek actually did that, which i wouldnt; that would be brutal to face a double-dengar attack even if one is nowhere near as beefy or shenanigan stacked)

IG-2000 title " An Aggressor equipped with IG-2000 that receives the Injured Pilot Damage card can still use the pilot abilities of friendly ships equipped with IG-2000, but those friendly ships can no longer use its pilot ability."

Would this be close enough to justify that even though Thweek's ability has changed, other Thweek's would be able to use the new effect (in Injured Pilot's case no effect) instead of the original ability?

if not, I guess it's just whatever the TO says until we get this FAQd.