Thweek seems too good. Anyone got a good pilot ability, its mine. Or, I'll just be the tied for highest PS. I guess he doesn't have an EPT, but still, mini Dengar, tougher Biggs, uuugh. Here is the Biggs counter. Imagine Biggs with 3 agility and another shield. Nasty.

It's very situational. You won't be able to have the Rebel synergy with Biggs, so you'll be a naked Biggs. Or you don't meet Biggs, then what.

It's good for small stores / playgroups which have a predetermined meta, forces players to buy more ships.

32 minutes ago, Psalm 112 said:

Thweek seems too good. Anyone got a good pilot ability, its mine. Or, I'll just be the tied for highest PS. I guess he doesn't have an EPT, but still, mini Dengar, tougher Biggs, uuugh. Here is the Biggs counter. Imagine Biggs with 3 agility and another shield. Nasty.

I think the "or" part of Thweek's ability is what keeps him from being too much (that and no EPT). For example, we will say he copies Dengar. If he copies Dengar's ability, he has a super sweet ability, but at PS4 he is far greater chances of being arc dodged, making his copied ability useless. If he copies Dengar's PS, he is less likely to be arc dodged, but now he's basically a PS 9 generic.

I think he will end up being reasonably balanced, but time will tell.

Thweek looks fantastic, and the other pilot looks amusing... but I was really hoping for tech that would make StarVipers a 'boss fight'. I guess we just have to accept them as a mid-cost brawler and accept them as such... but it's not gonna bring a lot of Xizor to the tables.

3 hours ago, EdgeOfDreams said:

So, let's assume for a moment that Thweek is good enough to be worth running competitively in some configuration. What else do you put in that squad?

You've got roughly 70 points to work with (assuming Thweek takes at least one or two upgrades). What's the best set of Scum ships you can throw together that...

• Costs about 70 points (or less if you want an initiative bid)
• Doesn't use mindlink (or does use it, but doesn't care that Thweek isn't in the link)
• Can deal well with swarms of generics (the matchup where Thweek is least valuable)
• Doesn't rely on any hard assumptions about what your opponents will be (because you can't give Thweek a particular pilot ability if you never happen to play against it)
• Synergizes well with having a pseudo-pocket-ace

I want to try this list out eventually. I think it could hold its own fairly well (and there is some wiggle room in there to mess around with upgrades if you want).

Contracted Scout with Adapatibility, Intelligence Agent, R5-P8, Rigged Cargo Chute, and Anti-Pursuit Lasers--32

Fenn Rau with PTL, Title, and Autothrusters--34

Thweek with StarViper Mk.2, Virago, Autothrusters, and FCS--30

Total: 96

4 hours ago, EdgeOfDreams said:

That's not actually correct. The "Shadowed" condition card says you copy the PS the target has after setup. VI and Adaptability have both taken effect by then.

Sooo..... after setup, Epsilon Ace has a ps of 12?

8 minutes ago, ViscerothSWG said:

Sooo..... after setup, Epsilon Ace has a ps of 12?

Yup!

8 hours ago, SaltMaster 5000 said:

Besides, there is a certain joy in flying cancer and grinding an NPE into an opponent's face as you make ironic jokes about it taking a lot of skill to do so. Really drives the point home.

You either die a hero...

Imagine if someone played biggs and you had thweek with cloaking device and stealth device, and jabba on bossk with bodygaurd in your list. 7 defence dice on your cloaked thweek, 8 at range 3. just fortress in the corner and win. so broken

7 hours ago, Mward1984 said:

Eh, he reminds me of Tetran Cowell, there just isn't enough green on the Starviper dial to make him worth it, and you can't get him up to that PS9 sweet spot either. Thweek looks really interesting though, and Dischargers is a great combo for the Vaksai. I can ALMOST make Talonbane good now.

You don't need so many green with Predator o AM anyway

3 hours ago, spacelion said:

It's very situational. You won't be able to have the Rebel synergy with Biggs, so you'll be a naked Biggs. Or you don't meet Biggs, then what.

It's good for small stores / playgroups which have a predetermined meta, forces players to buy more ships.

Well, you just have a Biggs with agi3+autothrusters. Or with regen shields.

And you have all the synergies of a scum.

And if you don't meet Biggs, there's a lot of combinations that will works with him. Noone of these are good? Fine, he will become a PS9-10+ with that chassis

3 hours ago, SabineKey said:

I think the "or" part of Thweek's ability is what keeps him from being too much (that and no EPT). For example, we will say he copies Dengar. If he copies Dengar's ability, he has a super sweet ability, but at PS4 he is far greater chances of being arc dodged, making his copied ability useless. If he copies Dengar's PS, he is less likely to be arc dodged, but now he's basically a PS 9 generic.

I think he will end up being reasonably balanced, but time will tell.

I think that his ability would be fine even if you could apply both conditions.

Maybe you don't bring OP bull then. Maybe you go for a Glaive Squadron instead of Ryad or Vessery, or think twice about putting Biggs or Dengar in a list. Go for Leebo instead of Dash, etc.

If you don't bring NPE bull, Tweek won't have any NPE bull to use against you. shrug

3 minutes ago, SaltMaster 5000 said:

I think that his ability would be fine even if you could apply both conditions.

Maybe you don't bring OP bull then. Maybe you go for a Glaive Squadron instead of Ryad or Vessery, or think twice about putting Biggs or Dengar in a list.

If you don't bring NPE bull, Tweek won't have any NPE bull to use against you. shrug

97% sure you will be on here complaining he is a NPE within 3 days of release.

Everything in this game is a negative play experience to you, I have no idea how you state to love a game that is basically 90% things you find to be negative play experiences.

Don't know why I am replying to you it's a huge mistake and I already regret it before hitting submit.

15 minutes ago, SaltMaster 5000 said:

I think that his ability would be fine even if you could apply both conditions.

Maybe you don't bring OP bull then. Maybe you go for a Glaive Squadron instead of Ryad or Vessery, or think twice about putting Biggs or Dengar in a list. Go for Leebo instead of Dash, etc.

If you don't bring NPE bull, Tweek won't have any NPE bull to use against you. shrug

You and others seem to be forgetting that you can already face mirror matches. Ryad on Ryad, Dash on Dash, it all can already happen. True, Thweek has a better chassis in some cases, but worse in others. Better to try to have him balanced now then try to use him as a deterrent. Besides, NPEs are opinion based. Somethings you call NPEs I have no problem with or even like.

4 minutes ago, Icelom said:

97% sure you will be on here complaining he is a NPE within 3 days of release.

Everything in this game is a negative play experience to you, I have no idea how you state to love a game that is basically 90% things you find to be negative play experiences.

Don't know why I am replying to you it's a huge mistake and I already regret it before hitting submit.

1.) I mean, he can be an NPE. One that scales with the level of NPE that your opponent brings. That's why he's great, he righteously smites the enemy with their own weapon.

I won't be complaining about him.

2.) 90% of the things in the game are negative play experiences. But since everything in the competitive meta is based around NPE, it sort of evens out. You just take your pick and roll with it.

3.) Fear aura.

I'm toying with this build:

Dalan Oberos (30)
Expertise (4)
Electronic Baffle (1)
Pulsed Ray Shield (2)
StarViper Mk. II (-3)
Virago (1)

Total: 35

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

Talon roll, baffle, barrel roll, and you have expertise for dice mods. At some point you ion yourself to repair the damage you did.

Dengar Theweek Meta confirmed, Imperials lamentations.

1 hour ago, SaltMaster 5000 said:

Maybe you don't bring OP bull then. Maybe you go for a Glaive Squadron instead of Ryad ... Go for Leebo instead of Dash, etc.

Or you just act like a player with half a brain, shrug at Thweek's little gimmick and proceed safe in the knowledge that a PS4 grunt with little-to-no action efficiency is not going to properly leverage the ability you built your pilot aroud.

His gimmick is a cute one, but nothing more than that. He'll have exactly zero impact on other pilots' popularity.

28 minutes ago, DR4CO said:

Or you just act like a player with half a brain, shrug at Thweek's little gimmick and proceed safe in the knowledge that a PS4 grunt with little-to-no action efficiency is not going to properly leverage the ability you built your pilot aroud.

His gimmick is a cute one, but nothing more than that. He'll have exactly zero impact on other pilots' popularity.

careful, with access to Virago title, Thweek can gain FCS or Sensor Jammer - coupled with autothrusters or pulsed ray shields, and a decent pilot ability - we can be seeing 4 or more virtual actions per turn from Thweek. He may not impact other pilots, but this pilot is capable of leveraging his ability.

55 minutes ago, DR4CO said:

Or you just act like a player with half a brain, shrug at Thweek's little gimmick and proceed safe in the knowledge that a PS4 grunt with little-to-no action efficiency is not going to properly leverage the ability you built your pilot aroud.

His gimmick is a cute one, but nothing more than that. He'll have exactly zero impact on other pilots' popularity.

Either his ability doesn't end up mattering in the grand scheme of things and he's not OP.

Or because of the things that Ravncat mentioned, he ends up being an NPE meta force, which I'd argue would be a good thing.

Either situation I'm fine with.

24 minutes ago, Ravncat said:

careful, with access to Virago title, Thweek can gain FCS or Sensor Jammer - coupled with autothrusters or pulsed ray shields, and a decent pilot ability - we can be seeing 4 or more virtual actions per turn from Thweek. He may not impact other pilots, but this pilot is capable of leveraging his ability.

Most exciting xwing news I've heard since Imperial Vetrans.

I can't wait! The BRs alone!!!

Sooo does anyone else think Dalan would probably have been fine if he retained manoeuvre colour? His ability and Ryad's are so similar, but he can only use his every other round and gets it completely shut down by stress, whereas she can use hers EVRRY round and it HELPS with stress.

Just seems a little inconsistent to me.

23 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Sooo does anyone else think Dalan would probably have been fine if he retained manoeuvre colour? His ability and Ryad's are so similar, but he can only use his every other round and gets it completely shut down by stress, whereas she can use hers EVRRY round and it HELPS with stress.

Just seems a little inconsistent to me.

Green/white tallon rolls? Beats kturns all day. I think he's still super fun.

Just now, Rakky Wistol said:

Green/white tallon rolls? Beats kturns all day. I think he's still super fun.

No green t-rolls. Bank t-rolls are nowhere near as good.

I think he'll be fun, but he'll not be particularly *good*. At PS6 the ability to have a highly unpredictable arc every other turn just doesn't add up to much.

It's a whole new maneuver since it adjusts arc and range. As good? Not on red, but on a green it would be.