3 minutes ago, Verlaine said:

If Thweek gets PS 3 or lower, will he lose the Virago title? And the upgrades it facilitates?

No. Listbuilding is not tampered with once the game begins. Same reason your elite stays even after the elite mech is discarded with integrated.

7 minutes ago, ficklegreendice said:

Pretty obviously made for the vaksai as a 2 point prs combo thatd be prohibitively expensive anywhere else

Only problem is finding a platform between overpriced cobra, non synergistic viktor and Graz the lame. Fingers crossed for the unspoiled ps 4 or that it'll make 27 point cruise missile aces cool

Well, yeah, the PRS + Ion Dischargers are the obvious thing. I'm just rolling around possible unforseen consequences uses.

Edit: Like, 4-LOM (crew) may see some nice benefit from it, being able to dump the Ion token if you are within range 1 of the enemy.

here's a scenario....

You are flying Dengar Thweek and ______

Your opponent has initiative and Thweek, he copies your Dengar's ability. Thweeks' pilot ability would technically mirror Dengars.

You decide to mimic his Thweek, thus granting your Thweek Dengars pilot ability.

obviously replace Dengar with whomever and flavor to taste.

A bit bummed that Thweek doesn't get an elite. As we have seen so many times before, that can just cripple some ships.

He totally craps on some pilots though. inquisitor turns him into a better HLC. Regenerating against Miranda will be hilarious. Copying HWK abilities will be disgusting.

The sad part about no elite is it restricts the creativity with him. Putting push on him and then bumping up to the ps of the highest pilot would have been awesome, and since the dial isn't busted, would still take some quality flying to make it happen. As fun as it will be to copy these high ps abilities, keep in mind- you're still shooting after them, and they will likely have an elite hyper focused on gaining maximum value out of their ability. There are few cases where thweek will be doing what they do better than them.

24 minutes ago, Thormind said:

Yeah but at least it's only when facing Biggs. I really like the concept. He only as strong as your opponent pilot and if you are facing a squad of generic ships he becomes a generic pilot. Good but not all the time. IMO thats an example of great design. Fun, interesting and different ability but doesnt seem to be OP.

Agreed. You have the benefit knowing that your opponent brought what they consider to be the best ships available - meaning Thweet gets to leach some of that.

We need to start figuring out what meta pilot abilities are broken with a) PS 4 and b) the upgrades available to the Starviper

5 minutes ago, Kdubb said:

A bit bummed that Thweek doesn't get an elite. As we have seen so many times before, that can just cripple some ships.

With mindlink he could easily become broken. The scum have enough top of the line forces as it is, and I fly scum a lot of the time.

As he stands, he's interesting without being over the top. Something this game needs more of.

7 minutes ago, Kdubb said:

A bit bummed that Thweek doesn't get an elite. As we have seen so many times before, that can just cripple some ships.

He totally craps on some pilots though. inquisitor turns him into a better HLC. Regenerating against Miranda will be hilarious. Copying HWK abilities will be disgusting.

The sad part about no elite is it restricts the creativity with him. Putting push on him and then bumping up to the ps of the highest pilot would have been awesome, and since the dial isn't busted, would still take some quality flying to make it happen. As fun as it will be to copy these high ps abilities, keep in mind- you're still shooting after them, and they will likely have an elite hyper focused on gaining maximum value out of their ability. There are few cases where thweek will be doing what they do better than them.

And as we have seen on a certain PS3 generic, an EPT can also make some ships stupidly OP.

Thweek has one of the craziest abilities in the game right now, IMHO. He changes the meta by copying the meta (maybe) and might encourage generic squads.

The ship is at a good balance point. . .sometimes he'll be meh, and other times he will be awesome. . .and given that he can have any special ability on any pilot card in the game, the last thing this ship lacks is creativity.

16 minutes ago, Kdubb said:

A bit bummed that Thweek doesn't get an elite. As we have seen so many times before, that can just cripple some ships.

He totally craps on some pilots though. inquisitor turns him into a better HLC. Regenerating against Miranda will be hilarious. Copying HWK abilities will be disgusting.

The sad part about no elite is it restricts the creativity with him. Putting push on him and then bumping up to the ps of the highest pilot would have been awesome, and since the dial isn't busted, would still take some quality flying to make it happen. As fun as it will be to copy these high ps abilities, keep in mind- you're still shooting after them, and they will likely have an elite hyper focused on gaining maximum value out of their ability. There are few cases where thweek will be doing what they do better than them.

Considering all of the concern I this forum regarding "broken" this and "broken" that, I think giving him an EPT would probably have given him some God-like combos that not even FFG would release into the wild.

Wonder how high one should cost thweek

Virago fcs (paid for by mk2) thrusters hits 30; 32 with stims

Could be a REAL good time with certain abilities

Just plain fun to fly as your not flying the same list through a tournament anymore.

15 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

With mindlink he could easily become broken. The scum have enough top of the line forces as it is, and I fly scum a lot of the time.

As he stands, he's interesting without being over the top. Something this game needs more of.

Mindlink is plenty busted as is. I doubt thweek would break it anymore. I'd prefer something be done about Mindlink itself, but now that the latest wave seems to have brought on new horrors, that boat may have already sailed as the power curve keeps scaling up.

1 hour ago, Verlaine said:

Again: mimicked does not allow you to deal condition cards, so if you copy Thweek, he can't deal Mimicked...

Based on initiative, one Thweek will not have his written pilot ability when the other Thweek gets to select a pilot ability. I believe this is a RAW success, and I am honestly surprised if they let this slip by if it wasn't RAI.

23 minutes ago, Kdubb said:

A bit bummed that Thweek doesn't get an elite. As we have seen so many times before, that can just cripple some ships.

He'd be overly broken with an EPT. Shadowed can act like the next tier of Adapt/VI, though -- you pay some extra points into an initiative bid, and you're definitely getting to move him last. That's... Kind of crazy. Screws with ships that survive on their PS (Whisper is the big one, though she's not out and about that often anymore anyways), and now makes a harder target for the Alpha Strike lists popping up.

And, imo, he seems like an awkward Biggs nerf, too. Taste of your own medicine, but probably a bit better, kind of thing.

5 minutes ago, Kdubb said:

Mindlink is plenty busted as is. I doubt thweek would break it anymore. I'd prefer something be done about Mindlink itself, but now that the latest wave seems to have brought on new horrors, that boat may have already sailed as the power curve keeps scaling up.

Yep.

With Lowkick entering the fray, we're all going to be begging for more powercreep.

Well, count me as one of the few that believe Thweek's impact will be based on only his initial large scale use due to his wild ability and not due to him being a powerful pilot. Time will tell though. He would be an interesting meta piece so I'm not opposed to him finding a place.

23 minutes ago, Cr0aker said:

Just plain fun to fly as your not flying the same list through a tournament anymore.

Yes, would it only be possible with other factions too...

43 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

here's a scenario....

You are flying Dengar Thweek and ______

Your opponent has initiative and Thweek, he copies your Dengar's ability. Thweeks' pilot ability would technically mirror Dengars.

You decide to mimic his Thweek, thus granting your Thweek Dengars pilot ability.

obviously replace Dengar with whomever and flavor to taste.

Thweek based on a condition card. Mimick specifies that it doesn't allow condition Cards. Most likely for that reason.

23 minutes ago, Cr0aker said:

Just plain fun to fly as your not flying the same list through a tournament anymore.

Yes, would it only be possible with other factions too...

Just now, Tbetts94 said:

Thweek based on a condition card. Mimick specifies that it doesn't allow condition Cards. Most likely for that reason.

the condition card is already played the ability is already copied. Thweek's pilot ability has already been replaced.

5 minutes ago, Kdubb said:

Well, count me as one of the few that believe Thweek's impact will be based on only his initial large scale use due to his wild ability and not due to him being a powerful pilot. Time will tell though. He would be an interesting meta piece so I'm not opposed to him finding a place.

... Why not both?

As he can choose between them every match, there are times when PS is better, and times when the ability is. He's the most versatile ship in the game.

Maybe not the most useful, but will be very interesting in a game that follows metas for as long as it does.

Anyone want to talk about that other new pilot? What's his name again? Something with a D...

Due to a bit of a resurgence of VI, I think his ability will be useful just to always possibly having an Ace at par with your opponent's.

27 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:

And as we have seen on a certain PS3 generic, an EPT can also make some ships stupidly OP.

Thweek has one of the craziest abilities in the game right now, IMHO. He changes the meta by copying the meta (maybe) and might encourage generic squads.

I don't think he's remotely strong enough to do that. The Jumpmaster isn't OP because of the EPT slot alone, it's everything, the whole set of upgrade slots, the dial, and the cost, all contributing to it being busted.

There are a bunch of mid-range PS aces without EPTs that have nifty abilities and none of them see play. An arc dodger statline at PS4 with no action economy is still just as dead, fancy ability or not. I'm not convinced anyway, maybe he'll prove me wrong. His ability certainly looks fun but I don't see it impacting high level play at all.

7 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

the condition card is already played the ability is already copied. Thweek's pilot ability has already been replaced.

It's been "treated" as his pilot ability, but it isn't actually his pilot ability. I feel there has to be some precedence on treated in the FAQ or Rules Reference.

I have a feeing Tweek's FAQ entry is gonna be as long as Omega Leader's.

53 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

We need to start figuring out what meta pilot abilities are broken with a) PS 4 and b) the upgrades available to the Starviper

Omega Leader? Imagine him with 3 red dices and FCS or accuracy corrector. Were lucky hes only going to be PS4 but i still wouldnt want to face that...

1 minute ago, Thormind said:

Omega Leader? Imagine him with 3 red dices and FCS or accuracy corrector. Were lucky hes only going to be PS4 but i still wouldnt want to face that...

No Juke, though, so it's not all that bad.

Just an absolute pain to kill.

... Which, uh, with three native attack is actually kind of troubling.

WHELP. Gotta kill him fast, since he's going to have a hard time getting the initial target lock.

You know, before you nuke the bombing monstrosity known as Nym.