2 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I mean, if its that or die then I have no choice. I can't fulfill my condition dead.

Yeah. . . So. . . go ahead?

26 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I feel confident that Cal isnt a watcher.

That's not what I meant, I meant that if a watcher stepped in claimed to have watched Ovi, he'd have an excuse, now his ability can only truly happen in N3, when he confiscates Oni's spices, as in N2 he'd have to inspect.

Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Yeah. . . So. . . go ahead?

I'm going to assume you mean that if I don't you'll hammer me down?

Just now, Madaghmire said:

I'm going to assume you mean that if I don't you'll hammer me down?

. . . Probably? You're the only one who isn't in some interaction tonight.

1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

. . . Probably? You're the only one who isn't in some interaction tonight.

Cninja isn't but by others choice

Just now, Visovics said:

Cninja isn't but by others choice

Well yeah, but I meant of those who haven't been verified in some manner.

@GhostofNobodyInParticular

Just had a thought. Before we hammer someone down, we ought to consider failure modes of tonight's planned actions. If one person dies, what does that do to our reporting, and what do we still learn. How dependent is our plan on everyone living, and so on.

First of all, I'm the only one not claiming to be in some kind of interaction tonight.

But I suppose that ends now.

I'm a self-aligned Information Broker. Which is to say, I'm a self aligned watcher. My win condition is to witness a kill and then be a part of lynching the killer.

I think you can see why I didn't want to claim, and what I meant by how it indirectly conflicts with certain others' win conditions. (Like say, anyone who has to survive)

Since theres no point in with-holding information anymore, I'll let you have this for free. First night I watch Thetoad, because as hammering vote I thought he made a safe scum target. Sadly, I'm not a tracker.

Maybe this can help regarding Oni's post.

Just now, Onidsen said:

@GhostofNobodyInParticular

Just had a thought. Before we hammer someone down, we ought to consider failure modes of tonight's planned actions. If one person dies, what does that do to our reporting, and what do we still learn. How dependent is our plan on everyone living, and so on.

A very good point.

So. If you die, Gink and Cal can't be confirmed.

If Vis dies, JJ can't be confirmed.

If I die, then no biggie really, my action is in the day.

If CNinja dies, then he takes somebody with him, and that can only be somebody other than me, you, JJ, Vis, Cal, or Gink.

If Gink dies, you don't get your item.

If Cal dies, nothing

If Bike dies, he's kept us alive another town, RIP.

If JJ dies, it frees us from a dilemma, and clears Vis

If Mad dies, that removes the other issue.

So JJ, Mad, Cal - acceptable night losses.
Vis, Oni - not great. Very bad in fact.

Everybody else - meh? No impact on Tomorrow's roles, really.

1 minute ago, Onidsen said:

@GhostofNobodyInParticular

Just had a thought. Before we hammer someone down, we ought to consider failure modes of tonight's planned actions. If one person dies, what does that do to our reporting, and what do we still learn. How dependent is our plan on everyone living, and so on.

SO

If you die: All spice lost, convenient for Caldias if lying

If I die: No more strong cop, same place as before but 1 less person

If Gink dies: Loss of identity scanner, we remain in the shadows

If Bike dies: No more medic

If Ghost dies: No more town, actually not that lamentable of a result, only loss of a mega-hammerer

If JJ dies: Not much lost either other than a good player

If Mad dies: Loss of an unknown role atm, can't really develop on this

If Cninja dies: He was lying and scum is MEGA-brave

If Caldias dies: Not much loss once again, Oni keeps spice for trading and blocking votes and day actions

We should also consider who we should send Vis out to hunt.

4 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

First of all, I'm the only one not claiming to be in some kind of interaction tonight.

But I suppose that ends now.

I'm a self-aligned Information Broker. Which is to say, I'm a self aligned watcher. My win condition is to witness a kill and then be a part of lynching the killer.

I think you can see why I didn't want to claim, and what I meant by how it indirectly conflicts with certain others' win conditions. (Like say, anyone who has to survive)

Since theres no point in with-holding information anymore, I'll let you have this for free. First night I watch Thetoad, because as hammering vote I thought he made a safe scum target. Sadly, I'm not a tracker.

Maybe this can help regarding Oni's post.

Interesting. Very compatible with JJs claimed win condition, if we can arrange things to catch a scum. If not, well, there might be other ways to work it out. It would require a player who doesn't have a "survive" win condition, and I don't know if we have one of those still alive other than Nippy. The easiest and least complicated way is to find a scum, so let's shoot for that.

I also think we also don't know how Visovics' ability treats 3rd party players. Third party can be counted as a threat to the town in some setups. I just don't know if it does in this one.

1 minute ago, Madaghmire said:

First of all, I'm the only one not claiming to be in some kind of interaction tonight.

But I suppose that ends now.

I'm a self-aligned Information Broker. Which is to say, I'm a self aligned watcher. My win condition is to witness a kill and then be a part of lynching the killer.

I think you can see why I didn't want to claim, and what I meant by how it indirectly conflicts with certain others' win conditions. (Like say, anyone who has to survive)

Since theres no point in with-holding information anymore, I'll let you have this for free. First night I watch Thetoad, because as hammering vote I thought he made a safe scum target. Sadly, I'm not a tracker.

Maybe this can help regarding Oni's post.

It does help!

First, it helps confirm Ninja - Toad wasn't visited, he visited.

Second, you can watch somebody. . . Vis does his thing, Oni does his, you watch one and Bike guards the other, and then if they do go for one of those two, we'll know, and hammer them tomorrow. If they go for you or Bike, then we have confirmed JJ, Gink, Oni, and Vis, and we'd be awaiting confirmation on Cal.

Wait! Oni has a vest! So Bike can watch Vis, and you can choose to watch a likely target.

Oni will make it through the night, as will Vis, unless somebody is a strongman. If Bike doesn't survive, you may be able to tell us who is responsible.

Yeah, I think a no-lynch may be a good idea. . .

3 minutes ago, Visovics said:

SO

If you die: All spice lost, convenient for Caldias if lying Oni is 1-shot bullet-proof. He's unlikely to die

If I die: No more strong cop, same place as before but 1 less person Bikes can guard you

If Gink dies: Loss of identity scanner, we remain in the shadows Issue

If Bike dies: No more medic Mad could watch him

If Ghost dies: No more town, actually not that lamentable of a result, only loss of a mega-hammerer Bad for me, meh in general

If JJ dies: Not much lost either other than a good player

If Mad dies: Loss of an unknown role atm, can't really develop on this Loss of a watcher. Sad, but would allow us to narrow down suspects 'cause everybody else would have done their thing

If Cninja dies: He was lying and scum is MEGA-brave No kidding. Or they had a role-scanner. . .

If Caldias dies: Not much loss once again, Oni keeps spice for trading and blocking votes and day actions Yep!

Essentially. Bold for fixes.

The big problem about making plans in public, is that scum is seeing and can act accordingly, so they could well go after Bike, what if they go for JJ? Or even Mad? Making public plans is risky, because we give scum the location of where the ice is solid and they can go there calmly instead of drowining in the frozen lake

1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Essentially. Bold for fixes.

I just want to point out how ironic it is that Slippy Nippy has us discussing all these plans in the open like this.

1 minute ago, Visovics said:

The big problem about making plans in public, is that scum is seeing and can act accordingly, so they could well go after Bike, what if they go for JJ? Or even Mad? Making public plans is risky, because we give scum the location of where the ice is solid and they can go there calmly instead of drowining in the frozen lake

Ha beat me to it.

Just now, Visovics said:

The big problem about making plans in public, is that scum is seeing and can act accordingly, so they could well go after Bike, what if they go for JJ? Or even Mad? Making public plans is risky, because we give scum the location of where the ice is solid and they can go there calmly instead of drowining in the frozen lake

Yep. Benefit is that those outliers are the ones we'd've voted for anyway, so it kinda flattens out in the end. . .

Just now, Visovics said:

The big problem about making plans in public, is that scum is seeing and can act accordingly, so they could well go after Bike, what if they go for JJ? Or even Mad? Making public plans is risky, because we give scum the location of where the ice is solid and they can go there calmly instead of drowining in the frozen lake

Exactly. I don't think we ought to direct where Bike and Mad place their abilities. Let them choose on their own. That turns it into an IKYK gambit, which reduces certainty for the scum.

1 minute ago, Visovics said:

The big problem about making plans in public, is that scum is seeing and can act accordingly, so they could well go after Bike, what if they go for JJ? Or even Mad? Making public plans is risky, because we give scum the location of where the ice is solid and they can go there calmly instead of drowining in the frozen lake

I don't find that likely, as scum would want to keep alive the ones that are already suspect, IMO

And we can't try to plan a double backing without openly announcing, unless there was a neighbourhood or masonry

Just now, Madaghmire said:

Ha beat me to it.

IKR?????????????????????

I really don't like doing it, but there really is no other way that I can see. Since the deaths that would result from it are the ones we'd have inflicted in a lynch anyway, it's impact isn't too bad. . .

Look, at this point everyone has claimed right?

I think its probably reasonable that there were at least 2, possibly three scum players out of our original 14.

That means at least three people are straight up ******* lying.

Just now, Madaghmire said:

Look, at this point everyone has claimed right?

I think its probably reasonable that there were at least 2, possibly three scum players out of our original 14.

That means at least three people are straight up ******* lying.

Has Gink claimed? I might have missed it.

I propose we let the roles chose what they think is the wisest choice and what they predict scum to do without public announcements