1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

Me? Not alone. Only with other people's help. But it's like that in all Mafia games. Can't be confident of winning if they have the power of Lynch.

If you arent confident, then I have trouble backing you.

This isnt like all mafia games. 3rd party have the power of lynch rather than town.

You have to inspire and lead if you want help. Go look at JJ, see if you can find any evidence that he hunted scum at any point. Its a great fakeclaim.

2 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

If you arent confident, then I have trouble backing you.

This isnt like all mafia games. 3rd party have the power of lynch rather than town.

You have to inspire and lead if you want help. Go look at JJ, see if you can find any evidence that he hunted scum at any point. Its a great fakeclaim.

I can understand your dilemma. Still and all, one must realize that without an army one can't lead, and without leadership there is no army, thereby implying that all is cooperation.

Now, I admit that JJ has been largely absent from much analysis, and his posts have been relatively small. He also is rather fixated on Mad. Furthermore, he preemptively claimed to provoke you two into claiming (as he says) but has not taken any action despite the resistance of both of you towards the concept of claiming. That is a bit suspicious, but it could be that he is busy. I shall await his next responses before I claim to have anything more solid than pros and cons of sporadic actions.

That being said, Mad also hasn't done much more than say 'Lynch Pod!' as both his 'attack' posts and as his defense, and that is by far more suspicious to me. What type of defense is 'He's obviously so much more suspicious!'? Now that Pod is dead hopefully we get a better response.

Vis nicely laid out Cal's issues. We have reached a consensus and have temporarily accepted Bikes, CNinja and Onidsen at their word.

You yourself have largely been absent this past 'Day', so I haven't gotten too much from you, but you did seem to gloss over Pod's 'scandal' and heart attack with out even a comment from what I remember (please correct me if I'm wrong).

to be honest there isn't much to say about the pod affair

Just now, Bike Stunts said:

to be honest there isn't much to say about the pod affair

True, but carrying on without even acknowledging it - or its confirmation of Pod's allegiance and its implications - is something.

I mean, not even to say 'Well Mad, now what's your defense?'

1 hour ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

True, but carrying on without even acknowledging it - or its confirmation of Pod's allegiance and its implications - is something.

I mean, not even to say 'Well Mad, now what's your defense?'

?

Bike claimed to have killed Pod. Not really sure why Bike protected Pod in the first place.

1 minute ago, Ginkapo said:

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Bike claimed to have killed Pod. Not really sure why Bike protected Pod in the first place.

No, Bike protected Pod, but the side affect of his protection is that you must speak well of him. Pod broke those rules a couple o' times, and Biggs Mod Killed him

1 minute ago, Ginkapo said:

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Bike claimed to have killed Pod. Not really sure why Bike protected Pod in the first place.

It was a dumb call. I gave him the benefit of the doubt day one that he'd actually deliver on his "faction reveal". I knew there was a possibility that it was all a ruse but I wasn't sure who else to protect day 1 anyway.

And yeah I didn't exactly kill pod, he basically threw himself on my sword.

Oh **** Gink actually has a good point about day 1. If JJ did have that role, why not be on the Truthiness hammer?

2 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I can understand your dilemma. Still and all, one must realize that without an army one can't lead, and without leadership there is no army, thereby implying that all is cooperation.

Now, I admit that JJ has been largely absent from much analysis, and his posts have been relatively small. He also is rather fixated on Mad. Furthermore, he preemptively claimed to provoke you two into claiming (as he says) but has not taken any action despite the resistance of both of you towards the concept of claiming. That is a bit suspicious, but it could be that he is busy. I shall await his next responses before I claim to have anything more solid than pros and cons of sporadic actions.

That being said, Mad also hasn't done much more than say 'Lynch Pod!' as both his 'attack' posts and as his defense, and that is by far more suspicious to me. What type of defense is 'He's obviously so much more suspicious!'? Now that Pod is dead hopefully we get a better response.

Vis nicely laid out Cal's issues. We have reached a consensus and have temporarily accepted Bikes, CNinja and Onidsen at their word.

You yourself have largely been absent this past 'Day', so I haven't gotten too much from you, but you did seem to gloss over Pod's 'scandal' and heart attack with out even a comment from what I remember (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Its pretty disingenuous to say I haven't done much. I've been actively hunting scum by picking through the claims. The only thing I haven't been willing to do is claim, because

1) because I am trying to fulfill my win

and

2) some of you are very obviously lying about your claims .

Now, I've explained why I'm not interested in claiming. A few times. As for the Pod affair, I had nothing to defend. You want to say my posts were "look at pod" but in fact many were "what have i done thats scummy" to which i recieved more or less some variation of "shrug, dunno, hard to get a read this game with pod alive" and then people were surprised I wanted him dead.

2 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Its pretty disingenuous to say I haven't done much. I've been actively hunting scum by picking through the claims. The only thing I haven't been willing to do is claim, because

1) because I am trying to fulfill my win

and

2) some of you are very obviously lying about your claims .

Now, I've explained why I'm not interested in claiming. A few times. As for the Pod affair, I had nothing to defend. You want to say my posts were "look at pod" but in fact many were "what have i done thats scummy" to which i recieved more or less some variation of "shrug, dunno, hard to get a read this game with pod alive" and then people were surprised I wanted him dead.

I am not saying you haven't done much, I am saying your defense wasn't much.

And again, as I am repeatedly saying, we really don't have much to go on at all for anyone at the moment. I am therefore refraining from attacking people for the time being - take my comments as thinking out loud. Nothing is certain, and most of it isn't fully formed.

6 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

Oh **** Gink actually has a good point about day 1. If JJ did have that role, why not be on the Truthiness hammer?

That is indeed a very good point. Truth definitely seemed scummy. . . did JJ try to defend him? If he defended him in any way, then it excuses him - no collusion, 'cause Truth is self-aligned, so it would mean that JJ just didn't think Truthi was really scummy. This could mean

a) He's scum and didn't see the signs
b) He's not scum and didn't see the signs/thought them too small/exaggerated

Option a I think is out - it's tough to not see such signs, even as scum. So if he defended truth, he may have either thought Truth framed, or thought Truth to be trying too hard.

If he didn't defend Truthiness, then either he couldn't find a reason to justify voting, wasn't active then, or didn't want to vote.

a) is silly - if he is to fultill his win con, he must vote every time
b) I know he voted Gink earlier, and kept his vote there. . . why focus on Gink when Truth seems so likely to be lynched?
c) See a).

So. . . if he didn't defend Truth and was active in those 30 or so hours, he's likely lying is the conclusion we can draw?

On 7/25/2017 at 9:19 PM, JJs Juggernaut said:

#Role Confirmed

Agreed...

##vote Ginkapo

This station ain't big enough for the two of us!

On 7/25/2017 at 9:26 PM, JJs Juggernaut said:

So for my thoughts so far. We have lots of flavor being thrown around...maybe a little too much. I'm keeping my eye on this.

No one else has really stuck out to me other than bizarre third party possibilities.

I'm not sure if Truthiness is really suspicious for his insistence on pushing at gink...I can see myself doing the same from pure obstinacy, and in this case Gink is being weird again.

On 7/25/2017 at 9:27 PM, JJs Juggernaut said:

Literally....I go to University two hours from the Canadian Border....soooo cold

On 7/26/2017 at 6:21 PM, JJs Juggernaut said:

Hmmmm, wow. Very interesting developments. I agree with truthi's jumping on and off the Gink wagon is a little suspicious, and with the revote on Gink it's no longer a joke vote.

Pod Racer has outted himself as a 3rd party...which could be a scum ploy being Truthi survived as third part last game. However, I'm a inclined to agree with Ninja that it would be far too obvious as a scum play. I'm assuming scum don't have daytalk again? Makes coordination much less likely. I'm inclined to let Pod go for now and try to nail a scum day one. That being said, it is more of a risk due to the chance of hitting a townie. I say we put pressure elsewhere and see what shakes out. Pod can be the backup lynch if we don't fine another convincing target.

The Toad is pushing against Pod rather hard...possible scum play, or just a townie trying to rid a non-town.

Madagmire is quiet.

Ninja, GNiPs, and Oni read rather town to me.

Gink is either town or scum, hard to read as of yet, but suspicious enough for me to leave my vote (spite is keeping it there for now)

Not sure about Bike or Ovi yet.

Vis is...suspicious to me, but I'm not sure I which way.

I'm not sure if I missed anyone, but I'll check back latter. I have to run for a few hours.

On 7/27/2017 at 11:22 AM, JJs Juggernaut said:

Rare moment to post from work.

i don't think Pod should reveal. I feel like he has a strong ability against scum and if he reveals it it won't be nearly as strong. I think pressure on those voting for him is better, I'm not entirely sure why, but my gut is strong on this one.

After reading today's messages, I'm even more concerned about Gink, my vote is more than spite now, it's strong suspicion. I'll look more closely at others on the Pod wagon this evening after work.

These are all of JJs Day one posts.

(And in JJs defense I thought (and there's still a possibility!) Gink was the scum on Day one too.) I'm just curious why not take a chance on Truthiness?

5 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

(And in JJs defense I thought (and there's still a possibility!) Gink was the scum on Day one too.) I'm just curious why not take a chance on Truthiness?

I was never at risk of lynch D1 and neither you, JJ or Truth ever really pushed me. Hunting involves pushing and building cases, JJ knows that.

On 7/26/2017 at 7:21 PM, JJs Juggernaut said:

Hmmmm, wow. Very interesting developments. I agree with truthi's jumping on and off the Gink wagon is a little suspicious, and with the revote on Gink it's no longer a joke vote.

Pod Racer has outted himself as a 3rd party...which could be a scum ploy being Truthi survived as third part last game. However, I'm a inclined to agree with Ninja that it would be far too obvious as a scum play. I'm assuming scum don't have daytalk again? Makes coordination much less likely. I'm inclined to let Pod go for now and try to nail a scum day one. That being said, it is more of a risk due to the chance of hitting a townie. I say we put pressure elsewhere and see what shakes out. Pod can be the backup lynch...

Madagmire is quiet.

This day one post. I want to look at it for a second in light of recent discussion;

JJ calls me out repeatedly in this game for not posting enough. This is the first time. I believe its his fourth post. At this point in the game, I had posted over twenty times.

Also important that hes noted Truths play as scum tell.

On 7/27/2017 at 11:22 AM, JJs Juggernaut said:

Rare moment to post from work.

i don't think Pod should reveal. I feel like he has a strong ability against scum and if he reveals it it won't be nearly as strong. I think pressure on those voting for him is better, I'm not entirely sure why, but my gut is strong on this one.

After reading today's messages, I'm even more concerned about Gink, my vote is more than spite now, it's strong suspicion. I'll look more closely at others on the Pod wagon this evening after work.

This is the most telling post. This was JJs last post before Truth got released lynched. The truth lynch happened more than 24 hours later (at 1:30 7/28)

Those aren't the actions of a scum hunter...they are the actions of scum laying low.

##vote JJsJuggernaut

14 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

This is the most telling post. This was JJs last post before Truth got released lynched. The truth lynch happened more than 24 hours later (at 1:30 7/28)

Those aren't the actions of a scum hunter...they are the actions of scum laying low.

##vote JJsJuggernaut

Gink does have a good point. I'll vote too, maybe just to see if the pressure gets him to explain himself. If it looks like a runaway lynch train before he responds, though, I'll pull mine back.

##vote JJsJuggernaut

It's 5 to lynch right? And we have 2 votes? Then I'll refrain from voting until we hear a defense.

@JJs Juggernaut - you are on L-3. Please defend yourself, or you will likely be lynched.

@Visovics , @Onidsen , @Bike Stunts - what are your thoughts?

We have three. I've had a vote on him since pod died.

Just now, Madaghmire said:

We have three. I've had a vote on him since pod died.

Ah.

@JJs Juggernaut - L-2. Defense?

Yal are idiots...Obviously you all hammered truthiness before I could even vote (you did it during the middle of the day again). Anyone voting for me is wasting time, and also very potentially scummy. I've got a job to do, and I hate that I somehow need all your cooperation to do it.

Also GNiPs, you say I took no action against Mad or Gink for not claiming, yet currently my vote is on Mad....

It's hard to push anything, no matter your role, when you are limited with the amount of posting you can do. I chose to vote on Gink for more reasons of spite and slight suspicious. I hoped either the town would join, or we would find another target who I could join in on latter...and we did with Truthiness, but as previously stated, I didn't even get a chance.

I need to go to work now, I doubt I'll have time like yesterday to check the thread.

On 7/31/2017 at 8:43 AM, Madaghmire said:

Well. I'm gonna ##vote @JJs Juggernaut

I just feel like he hasn't posted enough. Just a little too quiet.

You can't see me, but I've got the double deuce goin' champ.

What does the last line mean? I'm stumped.

Speaking of miscounting votes: @BiggsIRL - how much time do we have left?

1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

What does the last line mean? I'm stumped.

The double deuce is when you raise both middle fingers in the air, usually to show extreme displeasure towards someone. With JJ, its friendly bantering.