If Mad or Gink don't claim, I will push hard for a lynch on them. At this point, hiding information is just wasting time. At least if you aren't scum you won't be hindering us.

##vote Madagmire

Okie doke, here's my run down, hopefully it is helpful.

1. @GhostofNobodyInParticular - As no one else has claimed town, and town was confirmed as a faction when the good station captain Big Gsirl died, I'm inclined to believe he's town, and unless something crazy happens that we can verify, I don't think he's worth looking at closely, efforts are probably better put elsewhere.
2. @Madaghmire - Doesn't want to claim, and I believe him when he says revealing would make his win condition difficult. REALLY wish I knew how he knows one of us is lying. He could be lying, but definitely seems sure at least one of us is full of it. I wonder, will it make it easier for you to claim tomorrow? Assuming your win condition is met of course.
3. @Ginkapo - I hope you're enjoying your vacation, dude. Has been pretty active despite being on vacation, so kudos there. I also don't have much to go on. Asks a lot of pointed questions, which seem helpful, but haven't seen much actual opinion from him, which could of course be because the holiday has made it so he can't read through a million pages of craziness. Did I miss his claim? He said something about trading. I didn't see a claim from him, but could've missed it.
4. @Visovics - His claim also seems believable, but as Mad said, hard to verify. I think if he's lying we'll find out pretty quick, though, Did he say who he hunted last night? I looked but the PodRacer dilution makes it hard. Did he inspect PodRacer? Knowing who he hunted might be helpful.
5. @CaribbeanNinja - I am pretty sure he's being honest, mostly because of the unfortunate end of TheToad.
6. @Onidsen - I believe him. He could just be the best scum player ever, but he seems legitimate to me, especially in keeping with the flavor of the other revealed roles.
7. @Bike Stunts - Could be scum. His roleblock of Pod could've served his as a way to cast more suspicion on him, but I also believe his role is 100% what he says, Pod's modkill all but confirms it. Faction? I'm inclined to believe he's really self-aligned. While possible scum, I find it doubtful.
8. @JJs Juggernaut - Has a believable claim, but also is a hard one to verify, again as Mad pointed out. Wouldn't be his fault, but that makes me a bit suspicious of him, along with the infrequent posting, but others have said that's par for the course for him. I've only played one other game with him, but he was quiet in that one, and ended up being scum.

For the money, I think JJ, Ginkapo, and Mad appear to be my top tier of suspicious targets. And Mad's list is similar, of course just swapping myself for him, so we have a pretty good idea of what we're dealing with. For right now, I think it's a coin flip between JJ and Mad for me, leaning Mad a bit more just because he's not claiming.

@Visovics with your ability, would it be best to lynch one of these four (myself included) and you could "hunt" one of the others? That should start narrowing the field pretty quickly. I'd like to stick around long enough to get my spice, of course.

3 minutes ago, Caldias said:

Okie doke, here's my run down, hopefully it is helpful.

1. @GhostofNobodyInParticular - As no one else has claimed town, and town was confirmed as a faction when the good station captain Big Gsirl died, I'm inclined to believe he's town, and unless something crazy happens that we can verify, I don't think he's worth looking at closely, efforts are probably better put elsewhere.
2. @Madaghmire - Doesn't want to claim, and I believe him when he says revealing would make his win condition difficult. REALLY wish I knew how he knows one of us is lying. He could be lying, but definitely seems sure at least one of us is full of it. I wonder, will it make it easier for you to claim tomorrow? Assuming your win condition is met of course.
3. @Ginkapo - I hope you're enjoying your vacation, dude. Has been pretty active despite being on vacation, so kudos there. I also don't have much to go on. Asks a lot of pointed questions, which seem helpful, but haven't seen much actual opinion from him, which could of course be because the holiday has made it so he can't read through a million pages of craziness. Did I miss his claim? He said something about trading. I didn't see a claim from him, but could've missed it.
4. @Visovics - His claim also seems believable, but as Mad said, hard to verify. I think if he's lying we'll find out pretty quick, though, Did he say who he hunted last night? I looked but the PodRacer dilution makes it hard. Did he inspect PodRacer? Knowing who he hunted might be helpful.
5. @CaribbeanNinja - I am pretty sure he's being honest, mostly because of the unfortunate end of TheToad.
6. @Onidsen - I believe him. He could just be the best scum player ever, but he seems legitimate to me, especially in keeping with the flavor of the other revealed roles.
7. @Bike Stunts - Could be scum. His roleblock of Pod could've served his as a way to cast more suspicion on him, but I also believe his role is 100% what he says, Pod's modkill all but confirms it. Faction? I'm inclined to believe he's really self-aligned. While possible scum, I find it doubtful.
8. @JJs Juggernaut - Has a believable claim, but also is a hard one to verify, again as Mad pointed out. Wouldn't be his fault, but that makes me a bit suspicious of him, along with the infrequent posting, but others have said that's par for the course for him. I've only played one other game with him, but he was quiet in that one, and ended up being scum.

For the money, I think JJ, Ginkapo, and Mad appear to be my top tier of suspicious targets. And Mad's list is similar, of course just swapping myself for him, so we have a pretty good idea of what we're dealing with. For right now, I think it's a coin flip between JJ and Mad for me, leaning Mad a bit more just because he's not claiming.

@Visovics with your ability, would it be best to lynch one of these four (myself included) and you could "hunt" one of the others? That should start narrowing the field pretty quickly. I'd like to stick around long enough to get my spice, of course.

Vis couldn't hunt night 1, he was jailed by Pod.

Ah thanks! That explains why he was mad.

So. . . it appears that we are slowly narrowing down on Gink, JJ, Mad, and Cal. Of these 4, Mad has been the most widely criticized, and thus the most well documented of defense, and that defense was poor.

Does anybody know of a win con that wouldn't directly conflict with ours (trade, survive until the end, eliminate scum) but also by its nature counters at least one of those three? Seems that the only thing that actually fits the bill is 'eliminate scum' - if he doesn't do anything, then he doesn't directly counter us, but by its very nature it means we didn't eliminate the scum. . . any thoughts?

The only issue I have is that we still have 1 killer on the loose. Mad's claim seems to imply that he has no such power, so either one of you 'claimed' has it, or Gink does. Or he's lying of course, but I mean aside for that.

Mad, can you at least verify if you're self aligned?

Sorry I thought that was a given. Yes, I'm self aligned.

5 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

So. . . it appears that we are slowly narrowing down on Gink, JJ, Mad, and Cal. Of these 4, Mad has been the most widely criticized, and thus the most well documented of defense, and that defense was poor.

Does anybody know of a win con that wouldn't directly conflict with ours (trade, survive until the end, eliminate scum) but also by its nature counters at least one of those three? Seems that the only thing that actually fits the bill is 'eliminate scum' - if he doesn't do anything, then he doesn't directly counter us, but by its very nature it means we didn't eliminate the scum. . . any thoughts?

The only issue I have is that we still have 1 killer on the loose. Mad's claim seems to imply that he has no such power, so either one of you 'claimed' has it, or Gink does. Or he's lying of course, but I mean aside for that.

We have to have more than one killer on the loose. There are too many protections (one shot shield, jailkeeper, doc that needs THREE saves) for there not to be more.

7 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

We have to have more than one killer on the loose. There are too many protections (one shot shield, jailkeeper, doc that needs THREE saves) for there not to be more.

Is this why you presume one of the claims is false?

Will check in later, DMing Out of the Abyss tonight.

31 minutes ago, Caldias said:

Is this why you presume one of the claims is false?

Will check in later, DMing Out of the Abyss tonight.

Yes. Logical conclusion.

1 hour ago, Madaghmire said:

We have to have more than one killer on the loose. There are too many protections (one shot shield, jailkeeper, doc that needs THREE saves) for there not to be more.

Well, some of that might have to do with items as well as abilities? Didn't two people have E-webs? Or was it just Toad. Also by the way:

##unvote GhostofNobodyInParticular

I guess I'm satisfied that there must be a town presence in the game and seeing as no one else has claimed such...

Jeez Louise I'm hitting the question marks way too hard. No reason for it to be there in my first sentence.

35 minutes ago, Bike Stunts said:

Well, some of that might have to do with items as well as abilities? Didn't two people have E-webs? Or was it just Toad. Also by the way:

##unvote GhostofNobodyInParticular

I guess I'm satisfied that there must be a town presence in the game and seeing as no one else has claimed such...

Ewebs, if they do what i think they would, are just another protection. Again, E-Webs were anti infantry stationary guns.

Just now, Madaghmire said:

Ewebs, if they do what i think they would, are just another protection. Again, E-Webs were anti infantry stationary guns.

It would be a protection that killed the interloper was what I was thinking. That could possibly be deflected if they had personal shield belt.

1 hour ago, Bike Stunts said:

It would be a protection that killed the interloper was what I was thinking. That could possibly be deflected if they had personal shield belt.

My overarching point tho is there is a ton of protection in this game, and so it is extremely likely that people are lying.

Sorry, about their roles/alignment. As it stands, one player is capable of killing, he can only kill certain people, and he was roleblocked last night so he definetely didnt kill ovinomancer.

7 hours ago, JJs Juggernaut said:

If Mad or Gink don't claim, I will push hard for a lynch on them. At this point, hiding information is just wasting time. At least if you aren't scum you won't be hindering us.

##vote Madagmire

So because scum can pretty much surgically win this game as you all have decided to be really helpful to them, you want me to also claim?

I wont make you feel better for your mistake. Early claims arent a good idea. Ever.

You mucked up. I dont need to.

So whilst we are at it, why did you early claim? No one pushed you, it looked like you just wanted to save your skin. How very noble.

I actually quite like your claim JJ as it makes this really easy.

Not everyone in this game needs to hunt scum as it really makes little odds to their win condition. Even Vis doesnt really need to voice his suspicions during the day. You however have made it explicit, you need to lynch scum.

So what have you been doing? Sweet piss all D1 and role fishing D2. Have you done anything to actually hunt scum? It doesnt look like it to me.

The D1 vote you werent even on lynch. That will help you achieve that win condition...

21 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

So because scum can pretty much surgically win this game as you all have decided to be really helpful to them, you want me to also claim?

I wont make you feel better for your mistake. Early claims arent a good idea. Ever.

You mucked up. I dont need to.

So whilst we are at it, why did you early claim? No one pushed you, it looked like you just wanted to save your skin. How very noble.

What's the issue with claiming? How can the scum surgically win now?

On 28/07/2017 at 8:09 PM, BiggsIRL said:

13 players capable of voting = 7 to hammer:

1. @ovinomanc3r - Onidsen , Ginkapo , Truthiness ,
2. @GhostofNobodyInParticular -
3. @Truthiness - (7) - Onidsen , Onidsen, GhostofNobodyInParticular , Visovics, GhostofNobodyInParticular, Caldias, Madaghmire, Ginakpo, TheToad
4. @Madaghmire - Ginkapo ,
5. @Ginkapo - (2) - Truthiness , JJs Juggernaut, PodRacer , Truthiness , CaribbeanNinja
6. @Visovics - (1) - Truthiness , Ovinomanc3r,
7. @PodRacer - (1) - Visovics , Onidsen , TheToad , Madaghmire , Ginkapo , Truthiness, Visovics , Visovics .
8. @CaribbeanNinja - Visovics ,
9. @TheToad -
10. @Caldias -
11. @Onidsen -
12. @Bike Stunts -
13. @JJs Juggernaut -
14. No Lynch - TheToad ,

1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

What's the issue with claiming? How can the scum surgically win now?

CNinj is booby trapped

Vis has lost his protective shield and has a vig action.

BikeStunts is a doc.

Everyone else is defenceless. Its doesnt take rocket science to dismantle everyone now.

I guess. . .

So I take it you are not going to claim?

That leaves two people unwilling to claim, both for good reasons, mind, but still, it also means you are somewhat against helping the town/3rd party group win.

Are you confident of winning?

2 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

Are you confident of winning?

Me? Not alone. Only with other people's help. But it's like that in all Mafia games. Can't be confident of winning if they have the power of Lynch.