Its Lylo. Both CNinj and Onid have claimed survivor. The question is how much do they want to win.

I dont get why people really believe that Mad is scum. Lack of claim was an odd move which I didnt like.

Can someone read up on Cal please. He has been liking posts randomnly and avoiding giving out opinions.

2 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

So what's your read on the situation?

Well, from what I saw, since the attention shifted to Mad, he has been quite... different... on his arguments by basically going "why me? Look at the guy we were about to lynch!", so I think there is something there to be dug up. But we are only halfway we can still have some time, and less distractions as Pod had a heart attack

1 minute ago, Ginkapo said:

Can someone read up on Cal please. He has been liking posts randomnly and avoiding giving out opinions.

He does seem to be playing more like the time he was scum than the one he was town imo

@Madaghmire why JJ?

@CaribbeanNinja anyone you are specifically suspicious of?

I'll be at work after this but try to keep up with the post train.

Instead of dragging this out Pod-style, I'm going to come out and claim. Might mean I die since some have revealed what they have regarding my win condition, but hopefully it helps folks figure stuff out, and as CNinja said Truthiness was the lucky one. The observer doc would be considered sweet release.

I am a SELF-aligned Renegade Customs Agent. That's why I RPed selling stuff, to see if I could get other people to admit what they were selling. I can inspect someone at night to find out if they are carrying contraband. If that person survives to the next night, I can then confiscate at night any contraband I found. My win condition is to confiscate one piece of spice as contraband. I inspected Ovi last night, due to obvious reasons, but he didn't survive. So there you have it.

3 hours ago, Ginkapo said:

Its Lylo. Both CNinj and Onid have claimed survivor. The question is how much do they want to win.

I dont get why people really believe that Mad is scum. Lack of claim was an odd move which I didnt like.

Can someone read up on Cal please. He has been liking posts randomnly and avoiding giving out opinions.

Do you mean other than my long list post of opinions? It's easy to miss, but hardly fair to say I've avoided giving out opinions.

I like what I like. My likes don't necessarily mean anything beyond what I was amused by. Here is the Merriam Webster's definition of the word like, I was clicking as a reaction to definition #2 (although I personally hate baseball):

1. 1chiefly dialectal : to be suitable or agreeable to I like onions but they don't like me

2. 2a : to feel attraction toward or take pleasure in : enjoy likes baseballb : to feel toward : regard how would you like a change

3. 3: to wish to have : want would like a drink

4. 4: to do well in this plant likes dry soil my car does not like cold weather

3 hours ago, Visovics said:

He does seem to be playing more like the time he was scum than the one he was town imo

I would love to hear your reasoning. I've asked you and Pod multiple times to explain exactly what was scummy about my behavior so I could address it, and neither of you have elaborated. Cause your unsubstantiated suspicion is putting you on my scumdar.

On 7/25/2017 at 9:23 PM, Madaghmire said:

On 7/25/2017 at 9:23 PM, ovinomanc3r said:

"Try looking into that place where you dare not look! You'll find me there, staring out at you!"

...how did you get in there?

Mad, what are you suggesting he got in?

On 7/27/2017 at 5:45 PM, CaribbeanNinja said:

Nope, not at all.

My vote is just there after weighing all of the evidence.

Right now I rate the scummiest play as:

1. Gink

2. PodR/Truth

3. Ovinomanc3r

Of those 4, 3 are dead. What is your opinion on Gink?

On 7/28/2017 at 7:34 PM, Madaghmire said:

Well, the investigation anyway.

Do you have investigative powers?

On 7/28/2017 at 8:19 PM, Onidsen said:

Probably ought to come up with a suspicion list at some point.

Now is probably a good time.

On 7/29/2017 at 3:58 PM, Visovics said:

I'd love if there is only one town in the game and all 3rd parties lead him to victory

That would be nice. Also, should I take it that you are 3rd party? Care to share?

On 7/30/2017 at 2:05 AM, PodRacer said:

when i traded with ovi he said he had red and blue, i bought red, i have a spice, assuming he started with even numbers of each colour, one red is missing in my eyes

I am assuming, by the fact that ovi and Pod didn't drop anything, that they didn't trade?

On 7/30/2017 at 3:44 AM, JJs Juggernaut said:

Scum need to be hunted, and I've got other contracts to fulfil

What contracts?

22 hours ago, Caldias said:

2 Mad - His voting for you, as everyone else's vote for you, is pretty fair considering how you've been acting. And I doubt that he doesn't like you, this is but a game. This seems like an attempt to assign blame to Mad.

7 Medias - I have no idea why you think I'm "scum's little lapdog." You've provided no reason other than "big AWWOOOO x 6" which isn't super informative I'd be happy to address any legitimate concerns you might have, but to me this reeks of another stunt to cast blame elsewhere.

Interesting that you specifically try to belittle the suspicions of these two while you appear to take seriously most of his other accusations. . . in League?

21 hours ago, Caldias said:

Haha WHOOPS!

6 CNinja - Not sure how he reads scum? He hasn't done anything to tip that hat to me, but of course I'm aware he's a good player. Pod, did you learn something about CNinja? Cause that reads as yet another attempt to throw shade in order to get suspicion off yourself.

See above. Though that would make 4.

17 hours ago, Visovics said:

Thank you Pod, now to my story

At the end of the night, I learned that I had been thrown in Jail and unable to perform my action, and that my jailor had taken my item from me as "payment" for letting me go. We have seen a fair share of useful items, mostly from Toad. In the end, I ended up losing a very useful item and unable to perform my scum hunt at night.

Are you a cop? What night action did you have?

16 hours ago, PodRacer said:

i gained vis item then lost/traded with the spice unwillingly, how bout you oni why do you have spice of both coulours that your trying to shift?

I assume again that this 'trade' Pod mentions is a lie?

16 hours ago, PodRacer said:

16 hours ago, Visovics said:

well, he traded one with Oni and died with 3, so either started with 4 blues and traded one out, or 5 and traded + used.

Pod,can you confirm that your red came from Ovi?

i cannot

So, Pod pretends to have traded with ovi,implies it, then denies it. . . he's dead now, so it doesn't quite matter, but still.

14 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

1. I cannot believe it is only the beginning of Day 2. It seems like half of the 34 pages we've logged belong to the ramblings of PodRacer.

2. Gonna unvote Gink. Mainly because I'm now totally lost as to wtf is going on, (and he's on holiday.) My suspicions of Gink are totally outweighed by the current **** show.

(Well **** just saw your suspicion of me Gink. Dammit. Oh well, i'm going through with it.)

And that was NOT a claim. I just don't have items, spice, backpacks WTF you guys have.

##unvote Ginkapo

What is your opinion of him now?

14 hours ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

As a matter of fact, now seems like a good time to claim.

I am a Self-aligned paranoid demolitions expert. And I booby trap my room every night. It will blow the **** out of you if you visit me. Sadly, that is probably what happened to The Toad (sorry dude.) Was hoping to catch a scum night one.

Why do I say this now?

1. I cannot take the fact that we aren’t progressing at all. (I’m seriously ready to join the observer chat )

2. I’ve got no votes on me, no reason to lie, but if we hammer someone I figure it's better that nobody else gets blown to bits. Especially now that I realize there is a night flea market going on. People just going around my room is trouble.

I might survive another demolition, so I just have to survive the night. (I don't think my survival of the explosion is necessarily guaranteed.) The only thing I think that can get me are day actions and lynches, and what ever else tom ****ery Biggs gave you guys.

My win condition is to make it to the end. I’m happy to help the town, I just have to be alive.

(And dying by y’alls lynch seems like a Yoda-like release to meet the Force right now. Truth was the lucky one...)

What a great claim for a scum, no? 'Hey guys, I can't be night killed, and I'm too valuable to lynch!'. Perfect excuse for your continued existence.

8 hours ago, Onidsen said:

Frankly, I wonder if there's just a serial killer and 12 survivors.

I take it you are a survivor?

8 hours ago, Bike Stunts said:

I had this thought too. It'd be possible suicide to work under this impression though.

I take it you too are a survivor? You are also both self-aligned, eh?

That's what I found after reviewing the pages. Nothing definitive, but my suspicion of CNinja and Mad are growing - hunches, nothing solid.

Also, @Ginkapo, if it's LyLo, and we have no idea whom to vote for, would this be a rare occasion where a no-lynch is beneficial to town?

I am indeed 3rd party, and like a cop, but better, little time now, explain later

In his last few posts, Gnips has asked about a mass claim and a no lynch. so my suspect list right now is:

1 Biggs

2 Gnips

3 all you other ****

Nips-

1. I was joking with the "got in" thing. I was alluding to it being someones rectum.

2. I meant investigation in the general sense, not the power. I do not presently have a faction reveal or similar ability.

Also, as to why JJ- 3 reasons.

1. He's one of the five unclaimed.

2. Retaliation.

3. Because he's just been so quiet.

11 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

In his last few posts, Gnips has asked about a mass claim and a no lynch. so my suspect list right now is:

1 Biggs

2 Gnips

3 all you other ****

Biggs is definitely at the top of my suspects list...I wonder if I can vote for him?

I'm going to do a list in his "honor"...

25 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

In his last few posts, Gnips has asked about a mass claim and a no lynch. so my suspect list right now is:

1 Biggs

2 Gnips

3 all you other ****

To assuage your fears concerning myself, I do not truly condone as of yet a mass claim. I think it will be nearly impossible to determine who is telling the truth and who is lying - I think the claims will largely be worthless. I do think that there is a point in discussing a no-lynch. In the observation thread of another game, I forget which, Biggs mentioned that it would have been the best choice for town. I was wondering if the same applies here.

I mean, we are at 9 players, yes?

1 Town (me)
1 self (Oni)
1 self (Vis)
1 self (Bike)
1 self (Ninja)
1 unclaimed (Gink)
1 unclaimed (Mad)
1 unclaimed (Cal)
1 unclaimed (JJ)

There has to be at least 1 scum. If we no-lynch, then we would be 8 tomorrow, and we knock off a suspect. If we lynch, I suggest that it is from the unclaimed, 'cause odds are the scum'll be there. I don't know which is better, so I suggest a debate.

Is nobody else gonna claim town? Really?

Totally agree with you about Biggs. Definitely #1 on my list.

6 hours ago, BiggsIRL said:

10 9 players capable of voting = 5 to hammer:

1. @GhostofNobodyInParticular -
2. @Madaghmire - (2) - Onidsen, JJs Juggernaut, Onidsen, Bike Stunts, GhostofNobodyInParticular,
3. @Ginkapo - CaribbeanNinja
4. @Visovics -
5. @CaribbeanNinja -
6. @Caldias -
7. @Onidsen -
8. @Bike Stunts -
9. @JJs Juggernaut -
10. No Lynch -

@GhostofNobodyInParticularwent from hero to zero in my book after he first asked "should we all claim?" "Maybe a no lynch?" Your town claim is a little odd Mr. (OMG that's hilarious. Again - BIGGS!)

@Madaghmireadamant defense after being put in Motti lynch zone. (If BIGGS! shows up when he was at five votes, Mads goes down!) I don't see anything strange about Mads play, but his play is exaclty like when he and Mood took us down.

@GinkapoConveniently on holiday (he did tell us before) Gink was my main suspect. Nothing really changed except for the Pod situation. Gink went a lot more quiet, therefore he is harder to read now.

@VisovicsClaimed self-aligned Better Cop? We'll see what he gives us. Blocked by the Jailer Night 1.Might have "pirate" in his flavor. (Again, that's probably nothing.)

@CaribbeanNinjaSuper cool dude with a heart of kyber. Seriously, you all think I'm an idiot? I claimed because it was time. I thought someone was going to get turbo lynched (like y'all almost did to Mads) and then I have to leave it to BIGGS! to see whether or not I survive my trap? Nah, I like this better.

@CaldiasPeople are going to be suspicious of Cal for a few games. He earned that. My read on him is similar to Mads. I can totally see them being in league together, but there isn't any evidence. Not a lot of risky play IMO.

@Onidsenwas really quick with his vote on Mads. That is my main suspicion with him. Seems to follow JJ on that really quickly. (although that would be a huge scum slip). His claim is bland. BIGGS!

@Bike StuntsI can get on board with knocking his training wheels off. By his own admission he's made mistakes. I really thought I had him with the mute pod tactic, but he didn't even vote for Pod. He probably is just making rookie mistakes.

@JJs JuggernautQuiet...too quiet...Started on Mads for being a little quiet, which deserves an Academy Award. I wouldn't say anything he's done is scummy though (other than lying very low.)

NOW WE COME TO THE FINAL CULPRIT:

@BiggsIRLDudes, I can totally see us being all self-aligned dumb-****es that are just here to amuse Biggs' darker side (his most prominent side) This game is NOT balanced as he said. We'll just keep popping each other until the last man stands.

So in order of possible scum (I say possible because there may not even BE a **** scum)

1. Biggs

2. Gink/Caldias/Gnips/Madaghmire/Onidsen/JJ

3. Bike Stunts/Me/Visovics (Yeah suck it you non claiming ****)

10 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

To assuage your fears concerning myself, I do not truly condone as of yet a mass claim. I think it will be nearly impossible to determine who is telling the truth and who is lying - I think the claims will largely be worthless. I do think that there is a point in discussing a no-lynch. In the observation thread of another game, I forget which, Biggs mentioned that it would have been the best choice for town. I was wondering if the same applies here.

I mean, we are at 9 players, yes?

1 Town (me)
1 self (Oni)
1 self (Vis)
1 self (Bike)
1 self (Ninja)
1 unclaimed (Gink)
1 unclaimed (Mad)
1 unclaimed (Cal)
1 unclaimed (JJ)

There has to be at least 1 scum. If we no-lynch, then we would be 8 tomorrow, and we knock off a suspect. If we lynch, I suggest that it is from the unclaimed, 'cause odds are the scum'll be there. I don't know which is better, so I suggest a debate.

Is nobody else gonna claim town? Really?

Totally agree with you about Biggs. Definitely #1 on my list.

I actually did claim above.

1 minute ago, Caldias said:

I actually did claim above.

Ah yes, my apologies.

And believe you me, Ninja, I am town. Probably the only one who is so. I also agree that it is possible that there are no scum. . .

And again, I do not advise either the no-lynch or the mass claim. Nor do I advocate them. I am commenting that their impact on the game should be debated. Will the rest of the claims affect anything? Will a no-lynch actually be of service? Apparently odd-numbers are better for town, so I would think not just yet.

I merely suggest that we consider them, not in order to implement them, but to shed further light on our situation and to provide something with which to further weigh the current claims.

Okay, so I am a SELF-aligned retired pirate, each night I can hunt someone, and if they are a threat to town I kill them, otherwise nothing happens. And I win if I can successfully hunt down one threat to town. This is one of the main reasons I was steamed at Pod, because not only he took my safe pass for night, he also stopped me from having a guaranteed either win or one confirmed non-threat to town.

And it's a strongman kill, so doctors or bulletproof vests don't work, if you are scum, you are dead.

3 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Okay, so I am a SELF-aligned retired pirate, each night I can hunt someone, and if they are a threat to town I kill them, otherwise nothing happens. And I win if I can successfully hunt down one threat to town. This is one of the main reasons I was steamed at Pod, because not only he took my safe pass for night, he also stopped me from having a guaranteed either win or one confirmed non-threat to town.

Hhmmm. OK. So obviously we let you live till today. You track one of the unclaimed, and see where that takes us. Hopefully it kills one of the scum. If it doesn't, that confirms one person who is on 'our' side, and we can focus on somebody else. Maybe Bike can protect you.

5 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

And believe you me, Ninja, I am town. Probably the only one who is so. I also agree that it is possible that there are no scum. . .

If I had to guess right now...

1 Town (If we believe you)

1 Scum (We will find you...)

11 Self-aligned.

What's @Onidsen's claim again? some kind of "trader" (like Ovi and Caldias?)

15 minutes ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

What's @Onidsen's claim again? some kind of "trader" (like Ovi and Caldias?)

Yep. Must gain 3 items that he didn't start with. I do not know if a different color spice counts.

On 29/07/2017 at 7:59 PM, Caldias said:

Yeah, nothing personal, but I would've liked the kill magnet to have stayed alive. And you did eat up much of our time last day by promising big and under delivering. That's all. I don't think we should be hasty, but I am suspicious of you, just as I was yesterday.

Funny how you posted this after you put the second vote on Pod very early in just because it was Pod, and how you continuously kept coming back to refer Pod's behaviour despite the decision to change the focus and believe his claim, even in your vote post on Truth (the L-2) you are mentioning Pod's behaviour.

23 hours ago, Caldias said:

Hanging by a thread? Now you're claiming marionette? jk,jk. At least this is sort of substantive, and gives us more than aloof arched eyebrows and Dr. Evil pinkies. Still pretty vague. This isn't enough to get me to unvote, but I am curious, and willing to pull back on the pod train if there is a convincing reason to do so.

In response to your analysis, I have a few thoughts:

1 GNiP - Seems pretty trustworthy to me so far

2 Mad - His voting for you, as everyone else's vote for you, is pretty fair considering how you've been acting. And I doubt that he doesn't like you, this is but a game. This seems like an attempt to assign blame to Mad.

3 Gink - Gink I'm not sure about right yet, but I am curious why you straight up ignored his question when he asked you who you blocked and why.

4 Vis - This I agree with. He does have every right to be steamed, as does anyone else who voted for you. Until now, your posts have been Pied Piper leading us to nowhere, but I do applaud you for having something written up now.

5 Pod - I feel you on the new player thing. Especially this one, it can be confusing, I feel I myself am a bit out of my depth. With that said, the complete obfuscation whenever you reply to direct questions is why people are suspicious, myself included. Does your role say you cannot reply in clear-cut responses?

7 Medias - I have no idea why you think I'm "scum's little lapdog." You've provided no reason other than "big AWWOOOO x 6" which isn't super informative I'd be happy to address any legitimate concerns you might have, but to me this reeks of another stunt to cast blame elsewhere.

8 Onidsen - He does seem to have a lot of experience, has been somewhat quiet. But his post quality has been high, so that's good enough for me. Seems ok for now.

9 Bike Stunts - See, now this confuses me. Why are we not allowed to ask about it? Could be a real, important reason, could just be trying to implicate Bike for some reason. I don't read scum on Ninja at all (although I am aware he can be good at hiding it), so Bike's suspicion makes me wary of him somewhat

10 JJ - Just like Onidsen, quality over quantity post wise, has stated he has to work a lot so can only participate for parts of the day

11 Truthiness - He played the best he could have and did amazing. If he hadn't been lynched Day 1, he would've lost, if I'm reading his item's ability correctly.

12 TheToad - Man, this really hurts. Don't know how the scum caught on to him, but he had a lot of great tools it looks like, and could've gotten us helpful information

13 Ovinomanc3r - His death doesn't make a lot of sense to me, seems random. Maybe a vigilante as Gink said or one-shot strongman? Like others have said I probably would've put him on the suspect list behind pod. Really interested in what Spice does.

I'll be somewhat intermittent today, but will be checking in. Interested in what the others think.

So basically an analysis, but no one here is seen as scummy for you other than Bike, and only because of Pod's posts, and Pod himself as you were on him for a long time.

12 hours ago, Caldias said:

Calling for a speedy lynching of myself or Mad while asking everyone not to be hasty in regard to your own lynching is pretty inconsistent.

I would say this is pretty ironic...

1 hour ago, Caldias said:

I would love to hear your reasoning. I've asked you and Pod multiple times to explain exactly what was scummy about my behavior so I could address it, and neither of you have elaborated. Cause your unsubstantiated suspicion is putting you on my scumdar.

I would love to see where you have asked me about this previously, and only you do twice with Pod (still in the definition of multiple, but no need to sound more than it is, let's face it) and you also never elaborated when he asked you, you always deflected to how he never gave clear answers.

Basically, @Caldias, I don't see ANY way in which you were possibly useful or helpful this game

2 minutes ago, Visovics said:

Basically, @Caldias, I don't see ANY way in which you were possibly useful or helpful this game

Hmmm. . . sounds like a case, but do we go for it?