25 minutes ago, Sithborg said:

It is clearly not large enough to be an Epic. Large base, sure, but not an epic ship.

There's no way that ship fits on one large base. And it would have way more over hang than the ghost/Deci/etc. than if it did anyway. It's definitely epic scale, however it will be the smallest epic ship to date.

7 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

I can't believe how much you guys hate everything new but ask for everything to be new.

Are you guys alright?

Yeah, as noted, it's not a "hate everything that's new". It's more of a 'hate everything that's lazy ".

It's the same reason I was railing against the TIE Punishest . The design was just lazy .

And that's easily true of the TIE/fo, TIE/sf, T-70 X-Wing, and this A-Wing. Just pure 'lazy, least we can do hoping to trigger nostalgia' designs.

The Resurgent-class Star Destroyer? No problem, there. Looks good, even. Upsilon-class shuttle or Quadjumper? I'm not a superfan, but they look like legit Star Wars-style designs, and are definitely something new. LOVE the U-Wing and TIE Striker. But the T-70, TIE/reboot, and new A-Wing? Nope, lazy. Phone-it-in. Taking the safe, vanilla, boring, no-risk option.

I see people talking about the slow development of technology in the Star Wars universe but there's 32 years between the beginning of the Phantom Menace and the Battle of Yavin. The prequel ships look nothing like the OT ships. Sure, it's odd that the prequel era ships look sleeker than the OT ships but, at least, they didn't look fugly or just straight up copy familiar designs but add a red paint stripe or just give a ship slightly different-sized engines. I'm just asking for a little effort from the ship design department. This is Disney. They can wipe their nether regions with cash but can't hire some people with some imagination? Man, I miss the glory days of ILM. Those people had vision.

I don't hate new Star Wars. I love the Star Wars saturation. However, the breakneck pace of the movie releases is making everything formulaic and the nostalgia will soon be running on fumes.

2 hours ago, xanderf said:

Yeah, as noted, it's not a "hate everything that's new". It's more of a 'hate everything that's lazy ".

It's the same reason I was railing against the TIE Punishest . The design was just lazy .

And that's easily true of the TIE/fo, TIE/sf, T-70 X-Wing, and this A-Wing. Just pure 'lazy, least we can do hoping to trigger nostalgia' designs.

The Resurgent-class Star Destroyer? No problem, there. Looks good, even. Upsilon-class shuttle or Quadjumper? I'm not a superfan, but they look like legit Star Wars-style designs, and are definitely something new. LOVE the U-Wing and TIE Striker. But the T-70, TIE/reboot, and new A-Wing? Nope, lazy. Phone-it-in. Taking the safe, vanilla, boring, no-risk option.

Like, I get what you're saying.

But hate for this new bomber is simply unprecedented.

2 hours ago, xanderf said:

Yeah, as noted, it's not a "hate everything that's new". It's more of a 'hate everything that's lazy ".

It's the same reason I was railing against the TIE Punishest . The design was just lazy .

And that's easily true of the TIE/fo, TIE/sf, T-70 X-Wing, and this A-Wing. Just pure 'lazy, least we can do hoping to trigger nostalgia' designs.

The Resurgent-class Star Destroyer? No problem, there. Looks good, even. Upsilon-class shuttle or Quadjumper? I'm not a superfan, but they look like legit Star Wars-style designs, and are definitely something new. LOVE the U-Wing and TIE Striker. But the T-70, TIE/reboot, and new A-Wing? Nope, lazy. Phone-it-in. Taking the safe, vanilla, boring, no-risk option.

The T-70 and TIE fighters, I don't see as lazy. Safe and vanilla, maybe, but the decision is a deliberate one, not because they can't be bother. The Force Awakens was - much like The Phantom Menace - a "look, this is Star Wars!" film for a new generation; the whole point being that it is the first impression a whole generation will have gotten of the whole franchise. It needed to be recognisable precisely for someone who doesn't have that nostalgia factor, hence they may go and then watch any other Star Wars setting and instantly see "that's an X-wing, that's a TIE fighter".

Yes, they needed different-but-not-different, and yet, they reached for the old Mcquarrie designs for them. Fair enough; I think they did them justice.

The Special Forces TIE I quite liked. Starting from the concept of "we have a TIE fighter and we want it to do more stuff than it does at the moment", the design changes (gun pod, enlarged comms array, battery packs at wing roots, bulked up engine mount 'shoulders') make sense.

Rogue One, by comparison, pretty much assumes you've seen the original trilogy (or else it's a pretty odd film) and hence it can afford to poke into dank corners of the universe, hence the 'clearly part of the star wars design school but still something new' U-wing and Striker.

Both are infinitely better than the prequel ship designs. I still can't take several of them seriously - not because it's not pretty, but because the design was so retarded because they gave no thought as to how the **** thing should work compared to the aesthetics, which gave us the stupid "extending giraffe-neck astromech" in the N-1 because it had no space for the shoulders and the idea that the jedi starfighter had 'half an astromech' permenantly welded in because the designers didn't think to allow space in the design for the lower half of the body.

8 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

The T-70 and TIE fighters, I don't see as lazy. Safe and vanilla, maybe, but the decision is a deliberate one, not because they can't be bother. The Force Awakens was - much like The Phantom Menace - a "look, this is Star Wars!" film for a new generation; the whole point being that it is the first impression a whole generation will have gotten of the whole franchise. It needed to be recognisable precisely for someone who doesn't have that nostalgia factor, hence they may go and then watch any other Star Wars setting and instantly see "that's an X-wing, that's a TIE fighter".

Yes, they needed different-but-not-different, and yet, they reached for the old Mcquarrie designs for them. Fair enough; I think they did them justice.

The Special Forces TIE I quite liked. Starting from the concept of "we have a TIE fighter and we want it to do more stuff than it does at the moment", the design changes (gun pod, enlarged comms array, battery packs at wing roots, bulked up engine mount 'shoulders') make sense.

Rogue One, by comparison, pretty much assumes you've seen the original trilogy (or else it's a pretty odd film) and hence it can afford to poke into dank corners of the universe, hence the 'clearly part of the star wars design school but still something new' U-wing and Striker.

Both are infinitely better than the prequel ship designs. I still can't take several of them seriously - not because it's not pretty, but because the design was so retarded because they gave no thought as to how the **** thing should work compared to the aesthetics, which gave us the stupid "extending giraffe-neck astromech" in the N-1 because it had no space for the shoulders and the idea that the jedi starfighter had 'half an astromech' permenantly welded in because the designers didn't think to allow space in the design for the lower half of the body.

I totally agree with this. I like the prequels, and most of the clone wars era ships, but the one Obi-Wan flies in Ep. 2 is ridiculous. The updated version from the clone wars cartoon that puts the droid in front of the cockpit makes so more sense and I hope we get that version if we ever get a Clone Wars version of the game.

11 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Like, I get what you're saying.

But hate for this new bomber is simply unprecedented.

Not really. People hated that "sideways B-Wing" Resistance transport almost just as much. Almost. Though personally I think that Resistance Transport looks like a Maserati next to the design-spasm that is the Resistance Bomber, despite that the Resistance Transport is both lazy and silly.

But people don't hate everything new just because it's new. Case in point: general consensus seems to be that people are rather fond of the U-Wing, which is a new design that channels classic themes. Same with the MC-75 (the Profundity ), the Quadjumper, the Gozanti, the Hammerhead corvette, and the TIE Striker / TIE Reaper (the TIE Striker looks a lot better when you realize it's a two-seat bomber, and not the superiority fighter FFG's version came out to be). The TIE/fo, TIE/sf, and Resistance A-Wing are lazy, but as passable as the first-gen versions. The T-70 is also lazy but looks really good, as it captures the "slightly sleeker X-Wing" feel. Krennic's shuttle and Ren's shuttle seems to be a hit-or-miss with folks.

he moral of the story is that we don't hate everything new (see: the seven new ship designs above), we simply don't like things that are new and dumb/ugly.

I love the T-70, the new TIEs, the new A-Wing (more than the old). I just do not like the Resistance bomber. I was hoping for a new heavy/assault fighter (that actually looks nice). Similar to a roll shared by K-Wing or an ARC-170. A multi-crewed, turreted heavy assault ship with some maneuverability but needs fighter escort. Would still allow for the whole (WWII bomber theme) they have for the space scene from the trailer.

This is similar enough to the original Awing, a release of a "resistance Awing" that simply is the same ship with a title that gives you a different way to fly your Awings wouldn't be a half bad idea I don't think.

I love the new A-Wing...but I love A-Wings

I dislike the new bomber.

Where the hell is my B-Wing gone?! Seriously LFL... the B-Wing (in original canon...and maybe even new canon) was the newest fighter design out of the original four. Why is it retired so quickly but yet the A-Wing and new versions of the X-wing are still out. If this bomber is the replacement for the B... I'll be disappointed.

On that note... are all the Y-Wings regulated to vintage starship shows like old VW Beetles?

In the old canon, the B-Wings were notoriously difficult to maintain (s-foils and the gyroscopic cockpit being the biggest culprits). The Y-Wings were around so long mostly because, well, they had so many of them and were easier to maintain if they came back from a mission.

Also, don't give up hope! There might be a modern B-Wing we haven't seen yet! Don't forget, the T-70 isn't the latest and greatest model of X-Wing, it's just what the Resistance use! The New Republic has T-80s (or 85s? I forget) that we haven't seen. We're just seeing these A-Wing MK IIs and yeah, we've seen these new bombers, but come on. There HAS to be something between this new bomber and the X-Wing for delivering payloads to targets... and it might just be for the Resistance. Who knows what the New Republic is using. Worse comes to worst, if we DON'T see a new B-Wing in the Last Jedi, there's always Episode 9... would be kinda fitting to see a B-Wing in the 3rd new movie since we didn't see them until the 3rd movie of the original trilogy

For the record, you know that resistance shuttle most people hate? It is cobbled together from lots of parts, the cockpit being from a newer b-wing.

The source being the Force Awakens Visual Dictionary (or incredible cross-sections)

On 7/23/2017 at 11:39 AM, Punning Pundit said:

I mean. The F-15 is older than Star Wars, and still in service.

Well, technically the F-15 has been in service for less time than the A wing. Which, if we count this new design, would have been in service for around 60-70 years

7 hours ago, BadMotivator said:

Well, technically the F-15 has been in service for less time than the A wing. Which, if we count this new design, would have been in service for around 60-70 years

Um.... Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that make the A-Wing be in service since before the Clone Wars? If A New Hope is 20ish years after the Clone Wars, and the earliest I've seen them is a few years before that on Rebels, that'd make it closer to 50 years in service. In real life, the A-10 is around that age and it's still hard to truly replace it. Maybe the A-Wing falls into that camp. Sometimes designers just get it right.

27 minutes ago, sf1raptor said:

Um.... Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that make the A-Wing be in service since before the Clone Wars? If A New Hope is 20ish years after the Clone Wars, and the earliest I've seen them is a few years before that on Rebels, that'd make it closer to 50 years in service. In real life, the A-10 is around that age and it's still hard to truly replace it. Maybe the A-Wing falls into that camp. Sometimes designers just get it right.

Let's not forget that the Airframe might not change much but the engines and systems are significantly upgraded over the lifespan of these fighter jets.

Therefore Resistance A-wing gets a Tech slot... and maybe an extra shield... a weapons upgrade would be most welcome!

Maybe it won't be called "A-Wing". To avoid chardaan refit.

Just now, Verlaine said:

Maybe it won't be called "A-Wing". To avoid chardaan refit.

B-Wing ... hehe

On ‎7‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 10:20 AM, FlightyBombJack said:

Engineering fail on those engines.... Yikes

On 7/23/2017 at 1:39 PM, Punning Pundit said:

I mean. The F-15 is older than Star Wars, and still in service.

And it's not nearly the oldest operational design.

19 minutes ago, Jetfire said:

And it's not nearly the oldest operational design.

B-52.....dropping bombs since 1955!! That's almost 63 years IN SERVICE!! No replacement in sight!

4 hours ago, sf1raptor said:

Um.... Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that make the A-Wing be in service since before the Clone Wars? If A New Hope is 20ish years after the Clone Wars, and the earliest I've seen them is a few years before that on Rebels, that'd make it closer to 50 years in service. In real life, the A-10 is around that age and it's still hard to truly replace it. Maybe the A-Wing falls into that camp. Sometimes designers just get it right.

Maybe I've gotten some timeline mixed up. Isn't TFA like 45-50ish years after ANH?

No specific date is given for the A wing's creation as far as I could find, but the article seems to indicate the prototype was made very soon after the clone war's end. So if its been 45ish years since the battle of Yavin and that was 20ish years after the end of the clone wars, then that would make the A wing no less than 55 years old.

On ‎7‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 10:00 PM, weisguy119 said:

I see people talking about the slow development of technology in the Star Wars universe but there's 32 years between the beginning of the Phantom Menace and the Battle of Yavin. The prequel ships look nothing like the OT ships . Sure, it's odd that the prequel era ships look sleeker than the OT ships

14 minutes ago, Koing907 said:

Thanks for helping me prove my point. You can see clear advancement in design in your examples. Now, when you compare the OT TIE to the FO TIE or the T-65 to the T-70, there's barely any advancement in design despite nearly the same amount of time elapsed.

Don't forget the similarity between the jedi starfighter and the star destroyer. The prequels had a lot of those nifty references.

Today I saw this: