I belive this turned out to be a purley hypotetical question as I couldn't find any ship/card combo that would produce the problem. So if you don't care for that sort of thing, please move along

I was thinking about the Lightweight Frame (LWF) and the possiblility to combine it with a Stealth Device (SD).

The LWF says you cannot equip it if your agility value is 3 or higher.

SD says to increase your agility value by one.

So can you equip both to a ship with a base agility of 2? It would seem you can provided you equip the LWF befor the SD... Assuming there even is an "order" in equiping?

Ofcource I soon realized they are both modifications and so you can only equip one. The exception I can think of is the royal guard tie-interceptor title. But the interceptor has a base agility of 3 so the LWF is allready discuailfied for it even without the SD. Are there any other exceptions where this could be an issue?

No, you couldn't equip both unless your starting agility was 1.

13 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

No, you couldn't equip both unless your starting agility was 1.

How do you know that? I guess I'm not sure how it would work and figure that if it would become an issue it would be addressed at that time.

There are some other things that a dependent on other upgrades before they could be included. With the EPT Astromech being installed "first" allows that **** to install an EPT it wouldn't otherwise get; if that Astromech is lost later the EPT still remain. The Hvy Scyk title would be the same way in that you'd need it to equip a secondary weapon but if lost will not cause the loss of the secondary weapon. In these cases order "matters" in that you'd need one upgrade to add another but if you look at everything at the moment of placement everything would be legal.

10 minutes ago, StevenO said:

How do you know that? I guess I'm not sure how it would work and figure that if it would become an issue it would be addressed at that time.

There are some other things that a dependent on other upgrades before they could be included. With the EPT Astromech being installed "first" allows that **** to install an EPT it wouldn't otherwise get; if that Astromech is lost later the EPT still remain. The Hvy Scyk title would be the same way in that you'd need it to equip a secondary weapon but if lost will not cause the loss of the secondary weapon. In these cases order "matters" in that you'd need one upgrade to add another but if you look at everything at the moment of placement everything would be legal.

That's not how list building works. All upgrades must be legal at the start of game; the astromech example only applies once the game has begun. Lightweight frame is not legal because stealth device sets your agility to 3. Consider this: You could not assign a crew to a Scurgg and then give it the Havoc title.

20 minutes ago, hargleblarg said:

Consider this: You could not assign a crew to a Scurgg and then give it the Havoc title.

That anonlgy does sound rather convincing to me.

List building doesn't follow a series of steps. At the start of the match, your list needs to be 100% legal across all cards, simultaneously.

Regardless of what order someone reads them in, your ship is starting the game with an agility value of three. Therefore, it cannot also start the game with a card that requires agility 2.

If something was specifically PS related on a ship that could take Adaptability, things could get weird, as dual sided-cards aren't decided until ship placement. But that's it.

The Havoc title example is a good one, though there are many things that could be abused if things were different. This definitely would not work.

1 minute ago, ArbitraryNerd said:

List building doesn't follow a series of steps. At the start of the match, your list needs to be 100% legal across all cards, simultaneously.

Regardless of what order someone reads them in, your ship is starting the game with an agility value of three. Therefore, it cannot also start the game with a card that requires agility 2.

If something was specifically PS related on a ship that could take Adaptability, things could get weird, as dual sided-cards aren't decided until ship placement. But that's it.

The Havoc title example is a good one, though there are many things that could be abused if things were different. This definitely would not work.

The Adaptability thing doesn't get weird at all. Adaptability cannot be used to satisfy PS requirements, because it doesn't change your PS until deployment.

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

The Adaptability thing doesn't get weird at all. Adaptability cannot be used to satisfy PS requirements, because it doesn't change your PS until deployment.

Correct. The "weirdness," and I'll allow that that may be overly flippant word choice, is that Adaptability could appear to break a PS requirement after the ship is placed, if it was, say, exactly at the PS requirement before the match started.

I did not mean to imply that it was weird in a manner that would lead to actual rules concerns or questions, as the interaction is very clear.