I've been teaching a new player the last while and it got me thinking about this; because my introduction for the Y-Wing was basically "... yeah, you wana strap a turret on there, or your points are essentially wasted."

When you look at ships like the K-Wing, with upgrade slots out the wazoo - you have to wonder how well that empty frame would do. Probably not that well in the K-Wing's case - that's why they have so many upgrade slots to begin with. But what about other ships?

So I thought it would be interesting to see what you guys think; what ships are best bang for your buck, viable or just plain fun with NO upgrades whatsoever?

As a nice bonus, the ideas posted here could make for fun casual games (especially if you're dealing with newer players) with less shenanigans and more focus on learning the maneuvers and repositioning abilities.

TL;DR - In your opinion, what are the best "frames" in the game.

Discuss

TIE Fighter?

You talking generics, or naked named pilots?

1 minute ago, gennataos said:

You talking generics, or naked named pilots?

Good point! I should have specified.

I was thinking about generics when I wrote it, but willing to hear about ANY ship in the game with no upgrades; unique OR generic.

T-70, Tie Defender and Protectorate.

Although I love a naked fight between generic T-65s and a swarm of generic Tie's!

HWK

Auzituck. Those things are hard to bring down.

Captain Rex and Wampa. No extra points needed and both 14 pts of something your opponent still has to worry about.

Naked picks for me would be...

Empire: Omega Leader

Rebel: Han Solo v1.0

Scum: Ventress

Actually yeah gennataos is probably right. Wookieship still has its reinforce and a 3die attack on a fat platform, w/o any upgrade shenanigans to boost offense or cut defense that thing would take forever to take down. It wouldnt have any modded offense but with 3 dice and no beefed up defense thats not as big of an issue.

i'd say either TIE Fighter or Defender for imperials. TIE Fighter naked swarms lose to various upgrade stuff, not specific ships, and Defenders would be one of the VERY few ships that can still kturn/sloop/troll and get actions.

Scum....not sure. None of them to me stand out as good w/o a specific upgrade, even Fenn. Fenn w/o his title, autos, and either PTL or Attani would be so dang easy to kill, no real different than an interceptor that failed to arcdodge all the arcs.

Rebels - B-Wing

Empire - TIE Fighter

Scum - Z-95

Without delving into unique pilots, I'd go for either the vcx or b-wing for the rebels. Both incredibly efficient ships point-for-point.

My shout for the imperials would be either the good old tie fighter or maybe the defender (not sure if it can pull It's weight without the title though) or possibly the tie f/o

Protectorate seems pretty solid for scum, with a second choice on either the jumpmaster or the yv-666.

I think once you strip it back to "naked" ships post-maneuver repositioning becomes a lot harder, and the "tanks" have a little more room to shine.

Side note; although generic k-wings feel pretty terrible naked, I think even naked Miranda could be tremendously annoying. Slam gives her possibly the best repositioning available to a naked ship, and the ability to either regen shields or throw out 4 dice omnidirectionally at range one would make her extremely dangerous in a world of naked ships.

Tie fighter. Tie defender

For Rebels, I've always had a thing for the A-Wing. Her sleek profile and the gentle curves along the edges of her "wings." Mmmm...

And the TIE/FO when she was released was the first ship that I looked at and said "DANG! That ship is sexy!" The black body with the white panels. So HOT!!!

And for scum, I have a huge crush on the Star Viper. I know a lot of people don't like the way she looks but I've always found her to be exotic and strangely attractive.

So yeah, those are the three ships that I would want to see naked.

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Wait.... I think you are talking about something different than me...

28 minutes ago, Superstrength79 said:

Naked picks for me would be...

Naked pics?

1 minute ago, Odanan said:

Naked pics?

Well, I did choose Ventress for one of them so...

2 minutes ago, Superstrength79 said:

Well, I did choose Ventress for one of them so...

But Han Solo as well...

Jess Pava or Poe Dameron. They are both pretty good looking.

Id say

Rebels: Keyan Farlander or Jake Farrel

Imperials: Darth Vader or Duchess

Scum: Guri or Fenn

15 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

Jess Pava or Poe Dameron. They are both pretty good looking.

Scum Guri and Xixor

Empire Maerek Steele and Howlrunner

I think all of these are probably the best looking ....

If we're going generics with no upgrades whatsoever I'd take a Patrol Leader in a 1v1 over just about anything.

Rebels: B-Wings

Empire: TIE Fighters

Scum: FIVE. CARTEL. MARAUDERS.

i actually wouldnt say vader is a good naked pick.

Yes he has 2 actions which is awesome but no boost and no ATC or missile. So he basically has nothing to make use of those 2 actions.

Imps The Defender is really strong, I would follow that up by the Tie Fighter,

Rebels I would go with the E-Wing

Scum would be the aggressor.

pilots would be,

Omega leader can solo just about everything,

Corren Horn is a beat stick

IG88 A is really strong off ablities alone.

The rebels have several good ones. In order I'd say Biggs Darklighter, Jess Pava, and in a close 3rd Captain Rex
Empire: Omega Leader hands down

Not sure for Scum, as their entire faction started after upgrade card bloat had set in, and their ship configurations show it