42 minutes ago, USCGrad90 said:

This is the point where we disagree. Rolling Zero dice does not produce a valid result. You cannot arbitrarily decide that the result is whatever you'd like.

The result is stated to be "ON" your dice. Results defined in the rules are Hit, Crit, Focus, Evade, or Blank, depending on whether the dice are attack or defense dice. The result is defined in the Rule Reference to be what is displayed on the dice. If nothing is displayed, no result exists. If there is an argument that there is a result, then it is a NULL result, which is not a valid result for the game or the effect that is considered.

If no valid result exists, then there is no valid result to match and adding a matching valid result does not happen.

At this point I feel like we've reached the end of the road. Rolling zero dice does produce a valid result (if it didn't then you wouldn't be able to modify it by, for example, spending an evade token), and that result is no dice showing any results.

I don't think I'm going to be able to convince you that no dice can all be said to show any face, nor are you going to convince me that a physical result must be present to match to. Happy to keep going if you'd like, but I think we're just restating ourselves at this point.

I sincerely thank you for engaging in this bout of idiocy with me.

I can see the argument on both sides, and, the more I think about it, I can't say for certain how FFG would FAQ it, considering how dodgy the relationship with the number "0" has been.

I'm interested to see how they handle it.

On ‎21‎/‎07‎/‎2017 at 10:12 PM, Bascaria said:

At this point I feel like we've reached the end of the road. Rolling zero dice does produce a valid result (if it didn't then you wouldn't be able to modify it by, for example, spending an evade token), and that result is no dice showing any results.

I don't think I'm going to be able to convince you that no dice can all be said to show any face, nor are you going to convince me that a physical result must be present to match to. Happy to keep going if you'd like, but I think we're just restating ourselves at this point.

I sincerely thank you for engaging in this bout of idiocy with me.

I'm sorry, I'm just not buying this.....

Please feel free to present an argument but I don't think it will work.

It's plain to me "Once per round, after you roll reroll dice, if you have the same result on each of your dice, you may add 1 matching result".

You roll 0 dice. You have a result of 0 hits (or crits, or foci). Fine, you have 0 hits, on 0 dice.... yep, that follows. Add on more matching result? Yay, another 0 hits. That seems perfectly logical to me.

1 hour ago, irishthump said:

I'm sorry, I'm just not buying this.....

Please feel free to present an argument but I don't think it will work.

It's plain to me "Once per round, after you roll reroll dice, if you have the same result on each of your dice, you may add 1 matching result".

You roll 0 dice. You have a result of 0 hits (or crits, or foci). Fine, you have 0 hits, on 0 dice.... yep, that follows. Add on more matching result? Yay, another 0 hits. That seems perfectly logical to me.

If you roll two dice and they both come up hits, you don't add another two hits. Why should the number of results matter more in this case?

I still don't think it works, but that's because 0 dice do not all show any defined symbol.

On ‎7‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 1:12 PM, Bascaria said:

At this point I feel like we've reached the end of the road. Rolling zero dice does produce a valid result (if it didn't then you wouldn't be able to modify it by, for example, spending an evade token), and that result is no dice showing any results.

I don't think I'm going to be able to convince you that no dice can all be said to show any face, nor are you going to convince me that a physical result must be present to match to. Happy to keep going if you'd like, but I think we're just restating ourselves at this point.

I sincerely thank you for engaging in this bout of idiocy with me.

having a "result" is irrelevant to spending an evade token. If you look at the rulebook for spending an evade token it says:

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Evade: The defender can spend an evade token to add one ? result to his defense roll.

It says nothing about adding the evade to your result. It adds 1 evade result to your *roll*. It's already established you can "roll" 0 dice, but that at best gives you 0 of each result. You either have no "matching" results to trigger sunny's ability, or else you have all 3 results (0 of each), in which case they don't match so sunny doesn't work.

Another way to look at it, 0 of a result CAN'T work for sunny's ability, or else it will NEVER trigger. If you roll 1 evade, 0 eyeballs, and 0 blanks, if 0 results counted for anything toward sonny's ability, you wouldn't have matching results. You can't have it both ways

23 hours ago, digitalbusker said:

If you roll two dice and they both come up hits, you don't add another two hits. Why should the number of results matter more in this case?

I still don't think it works, but that's because 0 dice do not all show any defined symbol.

That was my point. I think I may have said it incorrectly! Rolling 0 dice gives 0 results ON 0 dice. You can correctly argue that you same result on ALL your dice (0). So you can add another of those, which s another 0 results.

That is just how I would present the argument. IMHO it should never even get that far!