All my games so far have been Waiqar vs. Daqan which is probably going to hurt me come tournament time. I'm playing Waiqar primarily which I guess is good since blight works on both factions but I've never had to deal with blight myself. Sorry, just a random thought.

I've played one mirror match, and both of us spent the first round doing a Rally action to build up inspiration tokens, which kind of negated each other. Lingering Dead wasn't out yet, and my Raven Standard Bearer came in handy. Other than that, it's not too different. You know their dials perfectly, so it's easier in some ways.

When we play at my house, it's all my minis so mirror is not possible. A mirror waquir seems like blight will be a bigger issue as no Hawthorne. A mirror Daqan seems like inspiration is less useful

I've played a few waiqar mirror matches, and things get kinda weird. If your facing a blight generator, most of your units won't have attack dice most of the time, but often the damage output from blight generators isn't enough to keep up with regen or maro.

cursed signets helps a lot in this scenario because, while taking more wounds, you are able to make full attacks and with lingering dead you don't lose threat or refills so fast.

waiqar vs. waiqar tends to be a trundle match.

36 minutes ago, Jukey said:

I've played a few waiqar mirror matches, and things get kinda weird. If your facing a blight generator, most of your units won't have attack dice most of the time, but often the damage output from blight generators isn't enough to keep up with regen or maro.

cursed signets helps a lot in this scenario because, while taking more wounds, you are able to make full attacks and with lingering dead you don't lose threat or refills so fast.

waiqar vs. waiqar tends to be a trundle match.

I can echo some of this from what I've seen. However, I've yet to see Daqan vs Daqan for some reason. My guess is that Daqan vs Daqan will come down to who can charge who best and therefore timing your charges for the turns you go first will be very important. Obviously that stuff matter in Waiqar vs Waiqar, but as was pointed out, often there's so much blight going around and Lingering Dead is a thing so first strike doesn't seem to be as important.

Quite a few, the last 2 ended in MAD. I play Daqan btw.

The daqan vs daqan mirror is very dependant on charges. If you have two golems led deathstars, the one that charges first usually gets a big advantage, especially if you have shield wall. It's why I almost always run raven tabards.

not yet --- I'm eager for Daqan vs. Kari & Daqan with elves support.

I've played one mirror match against another Waiqar force, but the player didn't use blight and got slaughtered through my two reanimate archers units with combat ingenuity. He had previously misunderstood how it worked, thinking you could only use one token per attack.

12 hours ago, TallTonyB said:

The daqan vs daqan mirror is very dependant on charges. If you have two golems led deathstars, the one that charges first usually gets a big advantage, especially if you have shield wall. It's why I almost always run raven tabards.

If people both run stars yes, otherwise less so. I've had 4 unit (no spearstar, I generally try to not use it and look for other solutions, had Hawthorne and Kari) vs true msu (4 single golem, 5- 2x1 cav, Kari)

A second with opponent had spearstar, and I had Kari, 4 golem, 2 cav, 6 block spears) both were laughably Kari v Kari and decided by the objective.

Raven Tabards is fun, although it can also put you in some odd situations, particularly with cavalry. Sometimes you didn't want to move first, so you need to adjust completely and reposition instead, which Cav was until recently (wind rune) decidedly bad at unless you bought waiqur.

All that said runewars is a maneuver game (opposed to a dice game), so everything comes down to who moves better really.

I played the mirror matches against Jukey. Describing it as watching two snot-golems beating in each other feels accurate. Both sides do lots of damage, but they also reassemble well.

Some lessons learned: If the match is Maro vs Maro and you want to score big, you need to move fast. Otherwise you spend several turns getting both sides back down to the original forces.

Maro (Embedded) vs No Maro: The faction that has Maro wants to delay big time. While both sides regen, only one can exceed original deployments.

Cursed signets are are an excellent blight counter for Waiqar. I would rather lose 2-3 reanimates than lose 2-3 attack dice. It paid off big in our mirror matches. His blight batteries became regular archers. Mine suppressed his large formations.

14 hours ago, Blutsteigen said:

not yet --- I'm eager for Daqan vs. Kari & Daqan with elves support.

Kari is the one that brings in Elves. Isn't this Kari vs. Kari?

21 minutes ago, rowdyoctopus said:

Kari is the one that brings in Elves. Isn't this Kari vs. Kari?

My confusing string of words -- I'd like to see Lord Hawthorne vs. Kari w/ Elf support.

33 minutes ago, Blutsteigen said:

My confusing string of words -- I'd like to see Lord Hawthorne vs. Kari w/ Elf support.

What about Hawthorn + Kari + 4x1 archers?

9 minutes ago, Glucose98 said:

What about Hawthorn + Kari + 4x1 archers?

The LoS on that...

The problem with 4*s is they lose threat so cery quickly amd have giant targets on them. Kari ruins your 4 by of horse before it closes. But archers, that might be fun.

6 hours ago, Darthain said:

If people both run stars yes, otherwise less so. I've had 4 unit (no spearstar, I generally try to not use it and look for other solutions, had Hawthorne and Kari) vs true msu (4 single golem, 5- 2x1 cav, Kari)

A second with opponent had spearstar, and I had Kari, 4 golem, 2 cav, 6 block spears) both were laughably Kari v Kari and decided by the objective.

Raven Tabards is fun, although it can also put you in some odd situations, particularly with cavalry. Sometimes you didn't want to move first, so you need to adjust completely and reposition instead, which Cav was until recently (wind rune) decidedly bad at unless you bought waiqur.

All that said runewars is a maneuver game (opposed to a dice game), so everything comes down to who moves better really.

True, deathstars are pretty prevalent here so far. The moving early thing isn't such a problem for me since I have aggressive cornicen. If I need to move late I just dial up the 4 speed that isn't blue and it's still a charge.

1 hour ago, Darthain said:

The LoS on that...

The problem with 4*s is they lose threat so cery quickly amd have giant targets on them. Kari ruins your 4 by of horse before it closes. But archers, that might be fun.

You could do artifact bearer and heartseeker.

2 hours ago, TallGiraffe said:

You could do artifact bearer and heartseeker.

I meant it is already insane, can likely see past small obstacles entirely.

I have no idea if its any good or not -- but I call it my Four By Ones! list

https://www.tabletopminiatures.com/runewars/rwArmyListView?ALID=30434

Oh my gosh! Call me dense, but I just realized that with Cursed Signets you will rarely be subject to more than a severity-1 morale test. That's awesome!

17 minutes ago, Parakitor said:

Oh my gosh! Call me dense, but I just realized that with Cursed Signets you will rarely be subject to more than a severity-1 morale test. That's awesome!

Unfortunately, all severity 1 tests give more banes so when they do go off, you take even more damage.

True, so that would add up. But I'm considering a massive unit of Reanimates with Cursed Signets, Necromancer, and Lingering Dead, supported by a smaller unit with Dispatch Runner, and Lingering Dead, and have Ankaur Maro beside/behind them. One of the Reanimate units would have Profane Banner Bearer to protect Maro from ranged attacks.

Oh, sorry to highjack the thread. Just wanted to share my 'aha' moment, even though you've all probably thought of it.