My Prediction for the New Hot OP List: Dengar Nym. So how do we beat it

By eagletsi111, in X-Wing

9 hours ago, SaltMaster 5000 said:

Can one use Genius to drop a bomb after a SLAM or Daredevil? Both count as maneuvers.

WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY.

I see no reason it shouldn't. Daredevil nym could be interesting...

11 minutes ago, MaxPower said:

Oot: Actually Talonbane will be pretty good after the buff. Ive seen him wreck face with glitterstim, intensity, vectored thrusters, hull upgrade, pulsed ray shield. Another option would be cruise missiles and chips in lieu of pulsed ray shield. Really fun to play and play against. Hes kind of scums poetensity.

Eh, he's better than he was before vaksai, but he still falls over fast

Both daredevil and slam don't work with Genious. You need to be able to drop the bomb before manoeuvre to trigger astro. You can't when you don't reveal your dial.

7 minutes ago, DerrKaTer said:

Both daredevil and slam don't work with Genious. You need to be able to drop the bomb before manoeuvre to trigger astro. You can't when you don't reveal your dial.

Think there needs to be an FAQ before we can say that for definite. Genius says you can drop it in a different part of the turn "instead" but doesn't say that you have to have placed a dial.

4 hours ago, DerrKaTer said:

Both daredevil and slam don't work with Genious. You need to be able to drop the bomb before manoeuvre to trigger astro. You can't when you don't reveal your dial.

Genius doesn't care if you set a dial. It just cares if you have a reveal drop bomb, and if so, lets you drop it with a different timing window. It won't let you drop a reveal bomb before you move if ioned, but nothing stops you from dropping it after the ion move (or daredevil, etc) with genius

Also, un-tested, but I'm pretty sure 3 x JM5Ks will make Nym feel REALLY bad, for the same reasons JM5Ks make other 1 AGI ships feel bad.

Don't put those JM5Ks away yet! There is still a use!

Edited by phild0

In a store champ, have played Nym Dengar once and Nym Hog Ashoka, in both games Miranda mauled Nym with TLT. Small sample but he seems weak to TLT...

32 minutes ago, sozin said:

In a store champ, have played Nym Dengar once and Nym Hog Ashoka, in both games Miranda mauled Nym with TLT. Small sample but he seems weak to TLT...

Proven in my games as well as anytime I fought against a Scum Autoblaster Nym, I just range controlled and TLTed with my Rebel Nym and Miranda. He died VERY fast.

4 hours ago, RStan said:

Proven in my games as well as anytime I fought against a Scum Autoblaster Nym, I just range controlled and TLTed with my Rebel Nym and Miranda. He died VERY fast.

Which makes sense.

Try running Miranda + TLT vs any other 1 AGI platform. Obviviously Miranda comes out on top.

Well, any platform might be pushing it. She's not going to solo a Falcon or Deci any time soon.

1 hour ago, DR4CO said:

Well, any platform might be pushing it. She's not going to solo a Falcon or Deci any time soon.

But deci is 0 agi /s

I thought they released the counter to Nym in the "Tie Agressor" and "K-Wing" expansions.

I lost to Dengar Nym too this SC. Made one error in judgement that allowed Nym to get away, and misplayed Cad Bane (rerolled ALL bomb damage every turn... Oops). Should be winnable next time.

On 16/7/2017 at 1:53 PM, eagletsi111 said:

I'm not sure who the play testers are for FFG, but I think they need to be fired and replaced with people who want balance.

Just to make things clear: you cannot fire someone you don't pay. All FFG testers volunteer their time to help the community having better games (a community that should be friendly and not ask for their head on a plate), and they receive company credits equal to the value of the retail product. With only one exception: X-Wing testers don't receive any compensation at all, not even this little amount of credits for their work.

So, the real point should be: they should start paying testers, so that they can quit their regular job and test a few hours every day the new models to give the company an incredible amount of feedback. Which obviously is not happening, as long as there's people ready to work for free and people ready to pay for the minis even if they aren't properly balanced.

This said, if you believe you're able to perform on higher levels than local tournaments and bragging on the internet, I'd suggest you to apply for a position as tester for the line (link). I'm sure you're ready to work all your w-ends, say goodye to gf or family and be happy to pass on-line and read a moron's comments suggesting you should be fired because one ship could be OP (and how's possible not to acknowledge that? With a few hundreds pilots flying around, it's certain that all possible combos are properly tested before going on the market)

(and nope, I'm not testing the line, I'm just pissed by the attitude of some individuals. It's a game, not your life's savings being burned in a chimney)

On July 23, 2017 at 4:25 PM, sozin said:

In a store champ, have played Nym Dengar once and Nym Hog Ashoka, in both games Miranda mauled Nym with TLT. Small sample but he seems weak to TLT...

I'm so tired of Miranda being OP also. tbh.

23 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

I'm so tired of Miranda being OP also. tbh.

Her design is fine as soon as you remove TLT from the game. With it she's just silly.

Edited by CRCL

It just occured to me ffg tried a paper/rock /scissors approach this wave (except for the whole rebel nym thing)

Tlt ag should do well vs nym

Nym is a good counter to low with bomb dmg

Low spreads the damage or counters tlt spam with many evades

/mindblown

Edited by Ralgon

Except that TLT and bombs both are also good counters to the Aggressor, and Nym can take both. And Rebels can take Nym as well as Low.

Whether people like it or not, Imperials got shafted this wave.

1 hour ago, thespaceinvader said:

Whether people like it or not, Imperials got shafted this wave.

Don't worry.

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3 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

Don't worry.

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It'll probably have a PS 4 Generic with no EPT.

Black Eight Squadron Veteran. No EPT. Thanks Obama.

8 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Except that TLT and bombs both are also good counters to the Aggressor, and Nym can take both. And Rebels can take Nym as well as Low.

Whether people like it or not, Imperials got shafted this wave.

Well, LightWeight Frame is SORT of a TLT counter. Always active vs TLT ships, even Range 3.

51 minutes ago, phild0 said:

Well, LightWeight Frame is SORT of a TLT counter. Always active vs TLT ships, even Range 3.

Not against ACTLT. Aww yiss.

And it's not a GOOD counter.

10 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

Except that TLT and bombs both are also good counters to the Aggressor, and Nym can take both. And Rebels can take Nym as well as Low.

Whether people like it or not, Imperials got shafted this wave.

Eh, fly TLT Nym with bombletts is already 39

Asuming you don't utterly waste your system slot, youre looking at 41 for fcs or 43 for sensors. Basically, you're almost at 2 sienar specialists with TLT and they'll win on dice alone (1 agi Nym n all)

poor gressor just isn't as cool or versatile as Nym, but they will kick his ***

Edited by ficklegreendice

More data is rolling in. Others are slowly conceding this is op.

4 minutes ago, eagletsi111 said:

More data is rolling in. Others are slowly conceding this is op.

Sources?

3 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

Sources?

He clearly got his backside handed to him again.

3 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

Sources?

SC. Check out List Juggler